U.S. Colonial Gangsterism in Venezuela

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It's time for you and me to
stand up for ourselves.

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Welcome to Unwashed and Unruly,
where we make late stage

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capitalism look even worse.
Today we're talking about the US

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imperialist takeover of
Venezuela, what it means and

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what's at stake.
I'm your host Lola Michaels,

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joined by our footnote king Ezra
Saeed.

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Hi, Lola.
Hi, everybody.

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thing that will get your blood

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boiling.
The violent abduction of

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Venezuela's head of state,
Nicolas Maduro, is,

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unsurprisingly, about
controlling strategic resources.

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Donald Trump said the quiet part
out loud that American companies

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would run Venezuela's oil
industry, sell it and profit

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from it.
But there's something even more

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sinister.
The siege on Venezuela is about

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the US ruling class exerting
sole political and economic

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dominance in its historic
backyard.

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It's about threatening US
rivals, particularly China, to

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get out.
What we're witnessing is

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intended to send a message to
the entire region.

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Surrender your independence,
accept American demands, or be

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crushed.
It's colonial gangsterism acting

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nakedly without the old pretext.
In this episode, we'll be

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talking about how the crusade on
Venezuela exposes the US as a

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declining empire, relying on
unrivaled military power to

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enforce dominance when economic
dominance is slipping.

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We'll trace the long arc of US
aggression toward Venezuela from

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coup attempts to sanctions.
Since the Monroe Doctrine, the

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US imperialists have intervened
across Latin America to preserve

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interests under shifting
pretexts.

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Anti communism, the War on
Terror, carrying out more than

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40 regime changes in under a
century.

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What's at stake is not only
Venezuela's survival, but the

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future of sovereignty itself.
So to kick it off, I want to get

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a few things off the agenda.
The attack on Venezuela was not

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about drugs.
That was a early lie that

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crumbled.
And we can talk about that more

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in detail.
It was very explicitly about

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oil.
But you don't need to listen to

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our podcast for that.
It's all out there.

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Venezuela has the world's
largest proven oil reserves.

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And Trump has repeatedly
declared his intention to seize

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Venezuela's oil for the benefit
of U.S. oil companies.

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But I want to start with
something a little different,

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which is why now the Trump
administration is explicitly

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embracing the Monroe Doctrine of
1823.

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It's explicitly spelled out in
the official National security

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strategy from November, which
says that the Western Hemisphere

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must be politically, militarily,
and economically subordinate to

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US supremacy, and that these
countries are forced to accept

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America first.
So let's talk a little bit about

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what's happening in the broader
geopolitical context of US

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empire and the region.
Let's first start by defining

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what the Monroe Doctrine is.
I'm not quite sure what the

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Donro Doctrine is, but the
Monroe Doctrine, as you said,

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comes from 1823, was largely
drafted by John Quincy Adams,

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and it was delivered by then
President James Monroe.

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And it was at a time of American
ascendancy.

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And it was essentially to divide
up the world between the Western

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Hemisphere being America's
terrain and the Eastern

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Hemisphere being the terrain of
old Europe.

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At the time, particularly in
South America, there had been a

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number of uprisings for
independence against Spanish

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rule in number of countries,
Venezuela being one of them, and

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what the Monroe Doctrine was
saying was the European powers

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were basically not to intervene
into South America and Latin

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America anymore.
So is this kind of like Manifest

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Destiny on steroids?
Yes and no.

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Manifest Destiny was the
movement to the West.

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This will become part of the
United States Monroe Doctrine.

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It's premise was not that all of
North and South America was

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going to become part of the
United States, but this is now

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America's backyard.
In other words, it wasn't so

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much that the US is going to
take over this land, but that

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Europe is no longer going to
play a role in this, in this

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part of the world.
And if anybody's entitled to

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their resources, it would be the
US.

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Absolutely.
Now there were 4 premises to the

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Monroe Doctrine.
One was non colonization, that

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the American continents were no
longer to be considered subject

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for future colonization by any
European powers. 2 was that

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there were two spheres of rule.
1 was monarchical and that was

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European and one was republican
and that was in the New World.

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You notice there are no
monarchies in the Western

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Hemisphere.
Official Monarchies, The

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oligarchies.
Yeah, I mean, but no, there are

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no kings or Queens or and, and
so that was not going to be

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acceptable in the Western
Hemisphere.

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And three, there would be no
intervention of any kind in the

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Western Hemisphere by European
powers.

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Then again, to reiterate, there
had been quite some fairly

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bloody wars for independence in
Latin America against

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particularly Spain.
And then the 4th premise was

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quote UN quote non interference
by the US into Latin America.

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And it is that 4th premise that
is I'd say honored in the

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breach, well, just not honored
at all.

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This was America's quote UN
quote backyard.

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I think a lot of people haven't
heard the Monroe Doctrine, that

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expression, since high school
history class.

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Yes, since Monroe was president.
So the fact that he's bringing

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it up explicitly and that it's
part of the National Security

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Strategy document, I mean.
Yeah, In the sort of more modern

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era, it's supposed to be more
subtle how you do these things.

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You know, you are supposed to
pretend that your neighbors have

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sovereignty and things like
that.

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The reality is.
So you're not supposed to have a

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press conference and say we need
their oil, we're taking their

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oil, they're not doing a good
job.

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They're mismanaging the oil.
We want their oil.

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Generally, not.
Now, I do want to underline we

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can come back to this later.
There's actually very little

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with the exception of a couple
of things about what happened

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with Maduro and Venezuela that
is unprecedented.

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The US has done this before, and
I'm sure we'll do this again,

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but you're supposed to do it in
a sort of sort of Boche way.

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You're supposed to do it in an
underhanded way.

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You're supposed to, you know,
not be so blatant.

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That's kind of how the US has
generally, at least in the more

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modern era, done these things.
Yeah, kind of like emphasizing

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the oppression and liberation
rather than the economics.

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At least dress it up in
something about human rights,

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something about democracy,
something about elections.

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I mentioned earlier that the
Monroe Doctrine was at a time of

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the US in ascendancy, and I
think that Ascendancy went into

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hyperdrive in the post World War
2 era.

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I think you're now talking about
a period of the decline of the

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American empire.
It's still the world's most

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powerful military by orders of
magnitude, but its economic

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power is slipping significantly.
An ascendant empire, especially

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the US and the post World War 2
model that it itself created,

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achieves what it wants through
what's euphemistically called

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soft power.
It goes to war to bring its

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adversaries, to heal, to cement
its alliances.

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None of that really is what
happened here.

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Venezuela had been a thorn in
the side of the US for about 1/4

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century, which is quite a
remarkable achievement in and of

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itself.
And I think a big part of this

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is the fact that the US is
incapable of economically

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competing with China and China
is now in America's so-called

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backyard, is actually the number
one trading partner with South

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America.
Yeah.

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And I want to focus a lot on
that because it's clear that

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competition with China is
central about trying to create a

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new supply chain, basically
because China controls all the

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rare earth minerals.
That's critical to the US

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military.
And I think when people talk

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about the new Cold War, you
know, against China and Russia,

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whatever you think of that
terminology, I think the point

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is that the US has completely
lost its productive capacity

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since World War 2 and hasn't
invested at all.

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And So what you're seeing is
it's only way of competing is

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through this kind of strong
arming tactic.

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And we can talk if we want to,
like how the US has maintained

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this military power.
I mean, the dollar is sort of

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artificially propped up through
the petrodollar and things like

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that, which allows the US to
spend a trillion dollars and or

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now they want to spend a
trillion and 1/2 on the

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military.
But economically, the base isn't

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there.
The productive capacity is

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nowhere near what it was.
You know, China would actually

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be the number one trading
partner everywhere South of the

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US border if not for Mexico.
The only thing that's skewing

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the statistic is the fact that
Mexico so far from God, so close

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to the US, it's number one
trading partner is the US.

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So to give you some statistics,
since 2000, approximately when

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Hugo Chavez, Maduro's
predecessor, took power in

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Venezuela, trade between South
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experienced a whopping 5000%
increase.

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It went from about 5 to $8
billion in 2000 to now about

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almost $400 billion.
And and it's almost twice as

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much as what trade between South
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Is China Venezuela's biggest
trading partner?

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It's everybody's biggest trading
partner in South America.

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It's invested more than $300
billion in financing in the

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region as of 23, again, more
than the US.

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So when Trump talks about the
oil, I want to be clear, he's

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not saying the US needs this
oil. the US does not need this

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oil.
It produces most of its own oil.

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It's more of a question of who
gets to control Venezuela's oil,

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who gets access to it?
Yeah, and part of the criteria,

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the explicit criteria after the
objection and kidnapping of

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Maduro, was that Venezuela has
to cut off all ties with China,

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Russia, Iran and Cuba, and
Venezuela is only allowed to

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sell its oil to the US.
Right.

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I've heard different versions of
this.

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I've heard that.
I've heard also the version of

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any sales to anybody else,
possibly China or whoever,

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definitely not.
Cuba, is to be at the pleasure

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of the United States.
They're basically pirates

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controlling the Caribbean and
what supposedly sovereign

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country, Venezuela is allowed to
do with its own resources.

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They're basically thieves.
That's what they are.

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So all the enemies of the US
that we've put sanctions on are

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supposed to suffer alone in
isolation, and to the fact that

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they're coming together and
sharing resources and it's like

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creating their own economy is
just not acceptable.

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Well, yeah.
And I just want to make a

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distinction here.
You could say that about Iran.

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You can say that about Cuba.
You can say that about

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Venezuela.
You can say that about some

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extent about Russia.
China has its own power.

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China can pull the rug under the
US actually quite easily by

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calling in the Treasury bonds
that it owns on the US and

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plummeting the dollar.
The problem with that is it

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would destroy the American
economy, probably take with it

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the Chinese economy.
So you don't want to do that.

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But the US is hand is not as
free as they think it is.

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I think what Cam mentioned was
also about being scared of the

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BRIC countries, or at least
trying to minimize BRIC, which

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is Brazil, Russia, India, China,
now expanded to several other

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countries, South Africa.
The point is, is that the US

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sees this alliance as incredibly
threatening because like the US

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has not dominated Venezuela's
oil industry for a a long time.

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And the way that Trump presented
it was the US is going to run

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Venezuela and control its oil
sales because Venezuela, quote,

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took our oil away from us and
stole our assets, which is

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really in reference.
So it's so wild.

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Which is so then Venezuela
nationalized its oil industry

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that began in 1976.
Yeah.

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And I want to be really clear,
They quote UN quote compensated

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100%.
They did not seize the

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refineries or the oil extraction
materials from companies or

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anything like that.
They basically bought out the

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companies that were.
There are you Are you talking

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about when the oil became
nationalized?

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In the yeah, in the 70s, this
was not expropriation or

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anything of that kind.
This was a very friendly buyout.

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Yeah.
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joint ventures.
And then it was under Hugo

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Chavez in the 2000s, they
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They basically gave companies
the option of setting up new

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contracts with Venezuela state
owned oil and gas company.

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Better than me, I would have
just kicked their asses right

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out of town.
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And those that didn't agree to
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were seized.
And so I think Chevron was the

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main one that that stayed, that
agreed to the terms and

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conditions to produce oil in the
country and ExxonMobil and

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Conoco Phillips and they they
didn't agree and they left the

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country.
There's a clip I'd like to play

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from Stephen Miller, outraged
that Venezuela sells oil to our

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quote UN quote our adversaries,
but not to us.

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The only reason Venezuela isn't
selling oil to the US is because

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the US put sanctions on
Venezuela.

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Venezuela has no problem never
under Chavez, under Maduro,

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never had any issue selling oil
to the US.

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That was EU s s own doing and
and and in the process just

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devastating the Venezuelan
economy.

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So I think it's worthwhile to
hear this clip from that

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monstrous ghoul, Stephen Miller,
because he's become a sort of

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spokesman for the
administration.

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He says in a more coherent way
what Trump is saying, and he

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spells it out as a clear policy.
The United States is using its

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military to secure our interests
unapologetically in our

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hemisphere.
We're a superpower, and under

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President Trump, we are going to
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superpower.
It is absurd that we would allow

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a nation in our own backyard to
become the supplier of resources

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to our adversaries, but not to
us to hoard weapons from our

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adversaries, to be able to be
positioned as an asset against

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the United States rather than on
behalf of the United States.

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The Monroe Doctrine and the
Trump Doctrine is all about

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securing the national interest
of America.

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But we're not going to let Tim
Pot communist dictators send

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rapists into our country, send
drugs into our country, send

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weapons into our country, and
we're not going to let a country

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fall into the hands of our
adversaries.

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I love the force that he uses to
say it, that even the guy

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interviewing him is like OK calm
down, calm down.

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The guy is interviewing me as
the reprehensible Jake Tapper,

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and I'm going to take this
opportunity just so since we've

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brought up Stephen Miller and
I've inflicted him upon you and

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upon our listeners to, I'm not
going to go into a biography of

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who this monster is.
I'm just going to play you

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another clip of Stephen.
He was born in the bottom of a

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swamp.
I think that's an insult to

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swamps.
Dante's Inferno, Yeah.

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I'm just going to play you a
clip of Stephen Miller from

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2003.
It's kind of a semi infamous

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clip.
This is when the US invaded Iraq

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before Saddam Hussein was
captured.

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It's kind of known as the
torture is a celebration of life

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clip.
This is who is among the top

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echelons of the American
government right now and who is

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sort of setting policy or
helping to set policy for

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Venezuela besides Trump.
Well, but after Saddam Hussein,

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this hench men, I think the
ideal solution would be to cut

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off their fingers.
I don't think it's necessary to

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kill them entirely.
We're not a barbaric people.

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We respect life.
Therefore torture is the way to

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go, because torture people can
live.

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Torture is a celebration of life
and human dignity.

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We need to remember that as we
enter these very dark and

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dangerous times in the next
century.

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I only hope that many of my
peers and people who will be

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leaving this country will
appreciate the value and respect

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the torture shows those other
cultures.

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Wow, that is so dark and it's so
insane that you can just hear a

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chorus of laughter.
Oh yeah, no, no, they they're

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lapping it up.
They're laughing.

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It sounds like a bunch of white
Ivy League students to me.

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And that is who the Venezuelan
government has to deal with

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right now.
And so I just want to make this

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point in passing.
I've read and heard people talk

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about Del Rodriguez, the vice
president who's now been

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appointed president after the
abduction of Nicolas Maduro and

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his wife, that did she make a
deal?

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Did she to to come, you know, to
to give up Maduro in exchange

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for coming to power?
There's a picture of her with

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the current director of the Ciai
have no idea.

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But I don't think any of these
things prove anything, because

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anything right now that the
Venezuelan government agrees to,

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everyone has to understand they
have a fucking gun to their

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head.
They have a gun to their head

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and nobody is going to come to
defend them and nobody's going

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to come to protect them.
I wanted to go back to something

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you said, Ezra, about this not
being unprecedented because I

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heard a lot of commentators
refer to the attack on Venezuela

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as this kind of new age of
impunity.

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Or, you know, you get the
typical like, we're so outraged

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that Congress wasn't consulted
before they went in and abducted

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a head of state.
I think it's kind of absurd

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because no wars in the last 20
years or plus years, Libya,

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Syria, Yemen, Somalia, like
drone wars, special operations,

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naval blockades, like, you know,
military strikes, like none of

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these have been authorized by
Congress.

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The last formal declaration of
war by Congress was during World

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War 2.
And the US basically operates

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under a permanent war
presidency.

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You know, like presidents are
the commander in chief of US

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imperialism.
They initiate military action

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1st and then they basically like
dare Congress to stop them

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later.
So I wanted to see what you

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thought about folks who talk
about this solely in regards to

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this being so outrageous because
of breaking international law.

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I feel like international law
should be called international

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suggestion because there's no
way to actually enforce any of

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this stuff.
And really the US and other

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Western countries just use it to
their convenience.

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Because when a country we don't
like breaks international law,

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you hear it out of every
politician's mouth.

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It's all over the news.
Russia did this, China did that.

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But when the US breaks
international law, you don't

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hear anything.
It's just crickets.

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So it's just used as a tool for
the West to condemn its enemies

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when it's convenient for them.
But it's it's a complete double

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standard. the US breaks
international law all the time.

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It's.
The nature of imperialism, the

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divide between the have
countries and the have not

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countries, has always been
defined by force, and it's not

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about law.
Yes, the added component to that

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is what gets called
international law was

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essentially written by the US
and it was written to.

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Go after the countries they
don't like.

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It was never written with the
intent that it would constrain

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the US or the allies that are
willing to work under the

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tutelage of the US.
Again, this goes back to the

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post World War 2 order that was
established when the US became

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sort of the sole capitalist
superpower in the world.

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As Lola mentioned, if you go
just by the word of the US

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Constitution, the US has not
been at war since World War 2.

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Now it's that's laughable.
I mean, like, you know, it's one

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of those.
Perpetual war.

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What's one of those like who you
going to believe the

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Constitution or or your lying
eyes?

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I don't know that there's been
two years without a war in this

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country.
Well, the War on Terror is now

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in its 25th year.
Yeah, it's old enough to drink,

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it's old enough to.
It's old enough to go to war on

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its own.
But international law, I don't

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know, guys, we've just been
sitting through a live stream

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genocide for the last 2 1/2
years and they want to talk and

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they want and they want to talk
about international law.

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How many coups in the Western
Hemisphere the US have carried

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out.
And you want to talk about

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international law?
2 million dead in Korea and you

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want to talk about international
law. 3,000,000 dead in Vietnam.

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You want to talk about
international law. 1,000,000 1/2

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dead through sanctions in Iraq
and you want to talk about

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international law.
More than a million dead in Iraq

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as a result of the invasion and
you want to talk about

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international law.
Saddam Hussein hanged by some

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fucking tribunal set up by the
US to kill him and you want to

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talk about international law?
Muammar Gaddafi killed by a

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bannet up his ass, sodomized to
death while the cackling Hillary

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Clinton playing the role of some
fucking modern day Julius

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Caesar, crowed.
We came, we saw he died, and you

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want to talk about international
law?

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Barack Obama drawing a daily
kill list including American

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citizens, and you want to talk
about international law?

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I mean, this is laughable.
Manuel Noriega kidnapped out of

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Panama in 1989.
You want to talk about

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international?
But this list is endless.

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This list is fucking endless.
I think we could do an entire

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series of podcasts just on US
involved military overthrows and

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coups and occupations, regime
change efforts, dirty wars,

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dictators just in Latin America,
not to speak of the Middle East

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and elsewhere in the world.
But it's always been the US

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intervening because of either
protecting their economic

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interests like corporate assets,
anti communism, you know, anti

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Soviet during the Cold War and
going after the guerrilla

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movements, counter narcotics or
counterterrorism.

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So let's just look at how since
the Monroe Doctrine the US has

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exerted its influence over the
Western Hemisphere.

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The early 1900's the US gained
control over the Panama Canal,

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the occupation of Haiti,
occupation of the Dominican

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Republic.
There were the banana wars early

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on in Central America and the
Caribbean.

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Multiple expeditions to protect
the fruit companies in the

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Fifties, 60s and 70's.
The Cold War era that was lots

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of coups and anti communist
regime change.

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Guatemala, where the CIA trained
funded an armed forces to

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overthrow Jacobo Arbenz after
land reforms threatened U.S.

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business interests.
There was the Bay of Pigs

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invasion where the CIA trained
and equipped Cuban exiles to

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overthrow Fidel Castro.
Dominican Republic interventions

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ousting the democratically
elected Juan Bosch.

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Brazil, support for the military
coup.

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Bolivia support for the military
overthrow of Juan Jose Torres.

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Chile.
That's a famous 1/19/73 everyone

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knows about getting rid of the
Salvador Allende government,

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overthrowing him and leading to
Augusto Pinochet's dictatorship.

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The support for multiple anti
communist military regimes in

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Argentina, the 1980s.
That's where you have Nicaragua,

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El Salvador, where the US is
funding and arming rebels

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against the Sandinista
government.

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And Panama, you know, targeting
of Manuel Noriega on drug

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charges, the 90s, you have
Haiti, the military coups that

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deposed Aristide under the cover
of humanitarian restoration.

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And that's like a partial list
that and that's not even all the

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the IMF strong arming and the
debt and the the economic

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catastrophes that have taken
place, the repression people's

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families in jails and that.
Isn't we're up to the 90s?

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We're not even up to current.
Time.

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And also, that doesn't include
anything in Venezuela.

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Yeah.
So Hugo Chavez comes into power

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in 1999, and, like, he's not
compliant.

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So in 2002, there's a coup
attempt to take out Chavez.

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And the funny part is it lasts
about 48 hours.

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The the people of Venezuela
pretty much uncool Chavez.

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So, yeah.
And like, one of the opposition

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groups that was a part of this
coup was run by Maria Machado,

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who comes back around.
And that's the National

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Endowment for Democracy.
And that was supported by the

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Bush administration.
Bush is not the only president

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pushing against this regime.
Obama puts a bunch of sanctions

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on Venezuela, and then while
Trump is president, he continues

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those policies.
And also when Juan Guido

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announces that he's the interim
president, the US could not

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approve him fast enough.
They couldn't recognize him as

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president quick enough, even
though everybody in Venezuela

456
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,560
was pretty much like, yo, shut
up, bro, sit down like nobody.

457
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,160
Stop talking.
That's why Juan Guido became

458
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,040
such a quick meme.
Because.

459
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,400
Yeah, it's so funny.
He's so lame.

460
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,480
But yeah, the US has been
really, really eager to take out

461
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,680
this regime since Chavez came
into power.

462
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,480
Yeah, there were all the things
that Cam talked about.

463
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,640
And again, it's kind of like
what what happens with the coup

464
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,680
attempts in the Caribbean and
and Latin America that, you

465
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,560
know, the list is always bigger
than what anyone can recall

466
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,680
because there were actually
other coup attempts that didn't

467
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,720
that were stopped before they
took place.

468
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,280
There was one in 2008 that was
actually caught before it

469
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,720
happened.
There was a Bay of Piglet

470
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,520
attempted invasion by a former
Green Beret under under the

471
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,040
first Trump administration which
failed and then when it failed

472
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,360
Trump disavowed any supposed
knowledge of it.

473
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,560
I've lost track of how many
referenda were organized by the

474
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,880
so-called opposition to get rid
of Hugo Chavez, to remove him

475
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,720
from power.
God knows how many assassination

476
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,360
attempts against Julio Chavez.
He died of cancer in 2013.

477
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:19,720
And then Maduro after he took
over.

478
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,840
There was one in 2018, drone
attacks were launched against

479
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,120
Nicolas Maduro while he was
speaking.

480
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,080
He and several government
ministers were speaking in

481
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,840
Caracas.
And I'm just going to play a

482
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,120
clip here of of an interview
that Max Blumenthal of the Gray

483
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:38,280
Zone investigative journalist
did with Nicolas Maduro and I

484
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:43,680
believe in 2019 where Maduro
points to John Bolton of the

485
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,960
Trump One point O
administration.

486
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,840
You know, John Bolton, who as
when Lola was going through all

487
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,200
what was happening in Central
America in the 80s, John Bolton

488
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,840
all over that.
He's got so much blood on his

489
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,120
hands.
What Maduro says, John Bolton

490
00:26:58,120 --> 00:26:59,760
was behind this assassination
attempt.

491
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,400
To be clear, the voice you're
going to hear besides Max

492
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:08,280
Blumenthal is a translator.
In August of 2018, you faced an

493
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,320
assassination attempt with
drones strapped with explosives

494
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,360
attempted to detonate during a
military parade when you were

495
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:17,120
standing with your ministers.
So it was an attempt to kill you

496
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,720
and many of your ministers, and
I want to know what was going

497
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,320
through your head during the
assassination attempt.

498
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,160
I can tell you that today I have
proof that the assassination

499
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,640
attempt was ordered by John
Bolton in the White House.

500
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,440
You're.
Saying John Bolton personally

501
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,720
commanded an assassination
attempt against you.

502
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,160
And he waited for the results in
the White House.

503
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,240
If you dig deeper, you'll see it
someday the proof will come out.

504
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,720
How John Bolton in coordination
with then Colombian President

505
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,720
Juan Manuel Santos.
And they gave the task to Julio

506
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,280
Borges, a former legislator in
Venezuela.

507
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,560
We have testimony.
We have witnesses, proof, the

508
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,320
intellectual authors, the
financiers and the people who

509
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,160
directed the operations via
video conferences.

510
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,600
They live in Miami.
They are protected by the US

511
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,520
government and are part of the
networks established by the

512
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,280
White House.
In this case, John Bolton, he's

513
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,720
a criminal.
He failed.

514
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,040
They've been trying to go after
Maduro for a long time, and now

515
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,560
he's facing in this kangaroo
court weapons charges, which is

516
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,040
absolutely ridiculous.
Yeah.

517
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,120
I love that he's breaking US gun
laws in Venezuela.

518
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,560
But what they tried to do was
they tried to spin this tale,

519
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,600
this wild tale about his ties
with fentanyl and cocaine, drug

520
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,960
trafficking, and there was
absolutely no evidence of a drug

521
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,080
connection.
They made-up a whole cartel

522
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,720
called Cartel de Los Solos and
that was proven to be completely

523
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,040
false.
I think another really

524
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,360
interesting.
Thing is that the DEA's like,

525
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,000
statistics are available to the
public and everybody who goes

526
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,080
through the DEA stuff says that
like a tiny, tiny portion of

527
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,360
drugs comes from Venezuela.
Yeah, I mean, it was it.

528
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,440
Was completely threadbare, but I
think this was pointed out in

529
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,920
something I was listening to.
First of all, there's no

530
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,800
evidence of a drug connection,
period.

531
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,720
If there was evidence of it, the
US would not have cared at all.

532
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,080
the US has always been very,
very closely allied with the

533
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,720
drug traffickers of like the
most awful kind and giving them

534
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,720
carte blanche to do whatever
they want.

535
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,440
I would say the US.
Itself has been multiple times

536
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,280
implicated in the drug trade.
I mean, I'll recommend three

537
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,760
books that I would argue are
kind of definitive on this

538
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,360
question.
The first one is called The

539
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Politics of Heroin in Southeast
Asia by Alfred W McCoy.

540
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,000
It's from 1972, and it talks
about the involvement of the

541
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,480
military and the CIA in the drug
trade in Vietnam and the

542
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,480
surrounding countries amid the
Vietnam War.

543
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,240
The second one is Dark Alliance,
the CIA, the Contras, and the

544
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,560
crack cocaine explosion.
And this one I has a sort of

545
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,000
special place in my heart
because I remember it very

546
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,320
vividly, as is it because you
smoke crack.

547
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,400
There you go.
I remember it very vividly when

548
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,680
I was young, back when dinosaurs
walked the Earth in the 90s.

549
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,360
And you had all these activists
in a lot of black communities in

550
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,720
in the US talking about how the
CIA was bringing in crack into

551
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,240
the black neighborhoods and
people were dismissing them as a

552
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,000
bunch of crazies.
And that was one of those like

553
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,960
you're.
Crazy.

554
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,920
And then this guy, Gary Webb.
Who worked for the San Jose

555
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,160
Mercury News comes out with a
series of articles,

556
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,720
investigative articles that very
clearly showed the connection.

557
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,720
And the connection had to do
with the contras in Central

558
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,600
America and Nicaragua, El
Salvador and elsewhere where

559
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,600
basically they were the
countries wanted to get a cheap

560
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,960
drug out that could have mass
distribution.

561
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,880
And that cheap drug cause
cocaine was expensive and that

562
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,320
cheap drug was crack.
And the laboratory into which

563
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,120
they distributed this cheap drug
was largely, not exclusively but

564
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,480
largely the black population in
the US.

565
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,640
It was met with a furious
response to the point that in

566
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,920
2004, Gary Webb, the author,
committed suicide.

567
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,760
And then just recently another
book came out called The Fort

568
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,240
Bragg Cartel by Seth Harp, a
former soldier, also an

569
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,560
investigative journalist that
goes through Well, I'll just

570
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,480
read you the the subtitle Drug
trafficking and murder in the

571
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,680
Special Forces.
And its focus is on the opium

572
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,840
trades coming out of Afghanistan
during the lengthy 20 plus year

573
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,760
occupation of Afghanistan.
One of the things people don't

574
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,720
realize is for all its social
ills, the Taliban actually

575
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,160
crushed the opium trade in
Afghanistan and it was the US

576
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,280
and its allies in the Northern
Alliance and other such forces

577
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,760
that encouraged it.
And so when these guys talk

578
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,280
about the evil drug traffickers
and so on, they are really

579
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:11,520
talking about some combination
of themselves and the right wing

580
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:17,480
anti communist murderous allies.
Former Black Panther Mumia Abu

581
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:23,440
Jamal, who's been on in prisons
since the early 80s and trumped

582
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,000
up charges of killing a cop
recently did a voice column

583
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,200
about this and I just have a
clip of it.

584
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:35,680
His focus mainly is Gary Webb
and and the distribution of

585
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,680
crack cocaine in the United
States through the CIA.

586
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,440
When you first hear.
About this so-called narco

587
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:52,080
terrorism arrest in Venezuela, I
urge you to think back if you

588
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,160
can, and you probably can
research it.

589
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,320
Think of the name Gary Webb of
the Mercury News.

590
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:07,200
This was a journalist who broke
the story about the CIA running

591
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,080
drugs in the black community and
other communities in California

592
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,720
and across the nation.
They were importing drugs and

593
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,560
using the money to support the
Contras in a war against

594
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,320
Nicaragua by their neighbors.
Think about the lives that were

595
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:35,520
destroyed by those drugs so that
the CIA could launch a drug war

596
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:43,440
against Americans in America.
Then ask yourself, who are the

597
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,640
narco terrorists?
It's such a tragedy.

598
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,360
How?
Many lives have been ruined.

599
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,960
And can I just say how much I
love this dude's voice?

600
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,240
He sounds like Mufasa.
If there's ever a leftist Lion

601
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,680
King.
Mumia's got Mufasa for sure.

602
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,200
No argument there.
He was.

603
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,880
Considered the voice of.
The voiceless for a long time.

604
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,440
It's a beautiful voice.
Yep, and.

605
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,320
Yeah, Free Mumia.
I actually wanted to raise

606
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,920
something.
When we were talking about all

607
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,639
this, all the attacks on
Venezuela, it made me think

608
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,159
about how Trump was during the
first campaign and during the

609
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:22,960
second campaign, Trump 2.0, he
explicitly branded himself as a

610
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,000
non interventionist.
You know, you would talk about

611
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,679
like being an opponent of
endless wars.

612
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,560
And I think that deceived so
many people because it was kind

613
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,440
of this anti elite rhetoric.
And he talked about these are

614
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,520
stupid wars and stuff, and his
supporters believed it.

615
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,920
And I think you're starting to
see a little bit of a split

616
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,400
emerge in the Republican Party
with the likes of Marjorie

617
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,800
Taylor Green and others who are
saying, you know, well what

618
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,360
happened to America first.
I think what we're seeing is

619
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,760
that Trump was always going to
be a hawk.

620
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,880
He bombed 7 countries in 2025.
And now he's threatening

621
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,880
Greenland, Iran, I mean,
multiple other countries.

622
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,840
And so even some of the left
kind of bought into this claim

623
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,320
that Trump was going to be
better on the imperialist war.

624
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,080
Well, he was going to stop the
Ukraine.

625
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,320
War, his second day in office.
We were all looking forward to

626
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,680
that, I would say.
If nothing else, Trump is a con

627
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,800
man and he's actually a very
good con man.

628
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,160
And I know a lot of people
bought into this, including

629
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,560
radical liberal types.
And I also want to be very clear

630
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,640
that a lot of the so-called
America First types that don't

631
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,760
like the Iraq War and so on,
their opposition to it is not

632
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,600
because they don't like that
about a million Iraqis were

633
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,360
killed in it.
They just don't like that

634
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Americans died.
They could give a flying fuck

635
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,040
about the million Iraqis.
I don't think they even see them

636
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,240
as human beings.
So in that sense, I have nothing

637
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,960
to say to these people and I
have nothing to say to their

638
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,760
disappointment until they see
the world a little bit

639
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,960
differently, at least as we were
talking about earlier.

640
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,560
I think there are two things
that are different about this

641
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,200
than previous stuff.
That one thing being that we did

642
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,720
talk about, which is an empire
in decline, and the other thing

643
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:13,560
being that he's not putting the
gloss on it.

644
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,400
This isn't about freedom.
This isn't about democracy, this

645
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,800
isn't about human rights.
I think the drugs thing was

646
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,320
mainly actually for domestic
consumption.

647
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,040
It was so that, I mean,
throughout this whole thing, we

648
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,000
haven't talked about the
Democrats except for Obama.

649
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,160
And the reason we haven't talked
about the doctors is they're

650
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:29,920
useless.
They're they're gung ho for

651
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,200
this.
Their only opposition has been

652
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,440
you haven't consulted Congress.
And so this was his answer to

653
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680
you haven't consulted Congress.
It's a it was a police

654
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,400
operation.
We don't have to consult

655
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,320
Congress for a police operation.
That's really what the drug

656
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,800
stuff was about.
And it should be noted for this,

657
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,600
quote UN quote, police
operation, they murdered about

658
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,400
100 people in the Caribbean over
more than 100, many of them

659
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,240
probably just fishermen.
Yeah.

660
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:53,720
And I think one of the most.
Upsetting things about that is

661
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,520
that you're constantly hearing
Trump saying nobody died, there

662
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,600
was no losses, because if no
American lives were lost then

663
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,120
it's fine.
But lots of people were killed

664
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,320
32.
Cubans were killed, Cuban

665
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,240
soldiers and about 70 or so
Venezuelans civilians and

666
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:16,160
soldiers, and the head of a a
sovereign state was kidnapped as

667
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,440
as well as his wife.
I mean to face gun possession

668
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,200
charges?
What the fuck?

669
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,480
By what logic does the head of a
foreign state have to abide by

670
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,520
the American gun possession
laws?

671
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,720
Like as Trotsky put it, even
slander has to make some sense.

672
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,480
You know, there's like it
doesn't even there's no logic to

673
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,000
this, but it doesn't have to be
because that's that's the empire

674
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,560
and decline point.
You don't have to pretend

675
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,160
anything anymore because you
can't.

676
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,760
There's too much overhead with
the pretending.

677
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,560
So we're just going to just
going to swing our big Dick and

678
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,320
just go for it.
And I feel like at this point

679
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,280
we're at the might.
Makes right section of right and

680
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,520
we're.
And it's always been that way,

681
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,760
but we're just, we're not going
to put a gloss on it.

682
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,360
And to think such actions were
carried out by the winner of the

683
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:04,320
2025 FIFA Peace Prize.
So just with the Empire and.

684
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,200
Decline point.
I think it's very interesting

685
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,560
that the first country that they
go out and threaten after this

686
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,960
very provocative act that is
meant to scare the world and it

687
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,800
is scary.
You know, look, what we can do

688
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,520
is not China, it's not Russia,
it's Denmark and Greenland.

689
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,840
It's the supposed ally because
what it shows you is it's the

690
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,400
act of a bully, but it also
shows you that they're finding

691
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,280
these alliances too expensive to
keep, too much overhead, and

692
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,920
they're willing to blow them
apart.

693
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,720
And they really cannot confront
China.

694
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,080
And so they're thrashing around
everything else.

695
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,760
And the other thing I found
interesting is, of course, as

696
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,640
you know, they threatened Iran
with bombing.

697
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,760
And apparently, if news reports
are to be believed, one of the

698
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,480
countries that was persuading
them not to attack Iran was

699
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,480
Israel.
And this makes no sense on the

700
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,720
face of it.
But the reason was, is a whole

701
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,280
aircraft carrier group and other
warships that were stationed

702
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,840
them in the Middle East that
were part of defending Israel

703
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,920
during the war that took place
last year between Israel and

704
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,400
Iran had been shifted to the
Caribbean.

705
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,160
So if they were to attack Iran
and Iran were to retaliate and

706
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,680
hit Israel, which it showed that
it was.

707
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,080
Completely capable, Totally
capable of doing.

708
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,840
Those warships which were
intercepting missiles on behalf

709
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,760
of Israel wouldn't be there
because they were in the

710
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,200
Caribbean shooting down fucking
fishermen.

711
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,880
Again, you're like, where's the
logic in that?

712
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,600
Only that stuff just from their
point of view.

713
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,240
But from their point of view,
while they're still very

714
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:51,320
militarily powerful, there's an
element of we're finding it very

715
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,480
difficult to control the world,
so we're going to make sure we

716
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,520
control our hemisphere.
Does the Mafia have logic?

717
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,800
Yes, actually.
It does, It does, it's true.

718
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,520
And usually they have honor,
which the US ruling class does

719
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,080
not have.
That's the other part about the

720
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,880
Empire.
In decline is that they've lost

721
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,960
whatever quote, UN quote, moral
standing they have.

722
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,160
And that's been fully exposed.
Yeah.

723
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,160
And.
Especially to their allies.

724
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,480
I mean, again, you know, if
you're, if you're Latin America,

725
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,760
if you're the Middle East, none
of this is new.

726
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,040
One of the funniest things about
this funny in this perverse sort

727
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,400
of way is the US has spent the
last 10 years claiming that

728
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,360
Russia is going to invade W
Europe.

729
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,600
And you know, it has to be
stopped in Ukraine or else it's

730
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,280
going to invade Western Europe.
And you know, the Russian flag

731
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,720
will fly over the Eiffel Tower
and blah, blah, blah, and all

732
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,200
these things.
The only country that's actually

733
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,000
threatened to militarily hit
Europe, it's the US, right

734
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,040
you're talking about in terms
of.

735
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Greenland, in terms of Denmark,
they're like saying we're you.

736
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,960
Know if you don't sell us
Greenland, we might just take it

737
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:55,880
by force.
Yeah.

738
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,840
And but by the way, does anyone
ever ask, well, what do the

739
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,920
people of Greenland think?
Oh, there's a lot of videos on.

740
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,880
Facebook about that and how the
people of Greenland cannot wait

741
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,640
for Trump to come.
Oh my God.

742
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,800
And they say the same.
Thing about Venezuela too, yeah,

743
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,880
No, but like Facebook is.
Like the bottom of of American

744
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,960
culture, like the worst of the
worst, It's pro America.

745
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,280
Boomer.
It's boomer propaganda. 100% I

746
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,280
think.
That does tie into the media

747
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,840
portraying as this outpouring of
protests in the streets of

748
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,480
Venezuela and they always say,
Oh well, they just love getting

749
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,240
rid of Maduro and stuff like
that.

750
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,520
I think one of the funny things.
About that too, is there have

751
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,640
been a lot of conservatives who
are critical of liberals for not

752
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,280
celebrating and they're saying
they're being contradictory

753
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,800
because it's like you say you
don't want dictatorship and then

754
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,400
Trump goes and like takes down
this dictator, why aren't you

755
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,960
celebrating?
I wonder if part of that is that

756
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,680
the people from Latin America
who live in the US tend to

757
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,920
represent the upper class.
So we get like a really skewed

758
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,240
picture of what the the quote UN
quote, the people's opinion is,

759
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,200
Yeah, there's a very.
Strong anti imperialist

760
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,320
sentiment in Latin America for
good reason.

761
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,920
And I think like Venezuelan
society is hugely divided.

762
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,880
And this was really clear when
Hugo Chavez got elected because

763
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,600
Chavez was very proud of his
kind of Afro Venezuelan

764
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,440
background, indigenous
background, and he was able to

765
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,880
give some voice and expression
to millions of people who look

766
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,640
like him and who spoke like him.
That was not the white upper

767
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,600
crust bourgeoisie in Venezuela.
I mean racism in Venezuela.

768
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,120
Is kind of interesting because
it's very different than the US.

769
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,680
the US has the one drop rule.
If you have a drop of black

770
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,800
blood, you're black in Venezuela
because it came out of the

771
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,880
Spanish Empire, where actually
the the official policy of the

772
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,480
Spanish monarchy was to mix
because they saw it as quote UN

773
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,960
quote, civilizing and whitening
and the savages, as they put it,

774
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,840
White man's burden.
Yeah.

775
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,640
So you have this sort of.
Myth in Venezuela of well,

776
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,680
there's no racism here because
we're all mixed.

777
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,200
Except they're not all mixed,
and some are more mixed than

778
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,960
others.
In the US, the white population

779
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,240
so far has always been the
majority.

780
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,360
That's never been the case in
Venezuela.

781
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,760
So when you look at the US, you
see the majority of whites are

782
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,720
in the working class.
You know, they may have

783
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,920
reactionary views, but they are
part of the work.

784
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,960
They are actually the majority
of the working class.

785
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,920
And if you look at Venezuela,
the overlap between race and

786
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,400
class is incredibly striking.
There's like virtually no whites

787
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,080
in the working class.
I mean, I'm sure there are some,

788
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,760
but it's so minuscule.
That's so weird and different

789
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,360
from.
The US, because even the US has

790
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,280
lots of poor white people.
And again, I am sure you will.

791
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,720
Find poor whites in Venezuela.
But there's this fundamental

792
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:58,080
overlap of race and class.
The bourgeoisie is white as it

793
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,440
is here, but the working class
is overwhelmingly non white.

794
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,720
And that's where you're going to
find what are called mestizos,

795
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,160
pardos, whatever.
There's different names that

796
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,120
they use and they have a
dizzying array of what racial

797
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,160
category you you fit in,
depending on how mixed you are

798
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,440
and all that stuff.
And so when you get to somebody

799
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,320
like Chavez, you never had a
president of Venezuela that

800
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,880
looked like Chavez.
Did that contribute to his?

801
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,760
Unpopularity with the higher
classes?

802
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,360
Absolutely.
It's how he.

803
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,680
Looked he.
Had an accent that was a

804
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,880
Backcountry accent and he didn't
hide it.

805
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,840
He sort of was proud of it.
He was proud of his thick lips,

806
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,200
his curly hair, all these things
that you're supposed to be

807
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,280
ashamed of at some point, he
said.

808
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,080
I am black and poor and I will
never be a slave again.

809
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,480
And that was wildly popular in
that sense and sort.

810
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,320
Of sociocultural level was
speaking for millions of people

811
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,080
for the overwhelming majority of
the country actually, because

812
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,960
when you talk about whites in
Venezuela or very light skinned

813
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,240
people, you talk about 20% of
the population at most, whereas

814
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,080
the rest don't fit that
category, like 80% don't fit

815
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,840
that category.
And so it would get called

816
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,080
monkey.
They even had forget what year

817
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,000
exactly, I think 2003 or
something under the Bush junior

818
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,360
administration.
They even had a Indian American

819
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,760
embassy.
They had a puppet show where

820
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,760
they had a black monkey puppet
play the role of Shabbos.

821
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,320
No, that's.
This is the American embassy.

822
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,080
In Caracas doing this, Oh my
God.

823
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,440
It's interesting that there was
a.

824
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Puppet show, since what they
want is a is a puppet, yeah.

825
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,560
No, no.
So when you look at somebody

826
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,680
like Maduro, yeah, he's nowhere
near as popular as Chavez.

827
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,640
I think a lot of it has to do
with the economy, because the

828
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,040
economy did collapse after
20/13/14, mainly because oil

829
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,760
prices fell.
And then what happened is once

830
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,440
oil prices fell, the US imposed
the sanctions and that just

831
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,160
crushed everything.
And kind of like the death blow

832
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,760
at that point, yeah.
Because it's.

833
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,160
Interesting, the US didn't
impose sanctions when the oil

834
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,080
prices were high because they
knew they wouldn't be very

835
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,560
effective.
But once oil prices fell, they

836
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,200
impose the sanctions and just
strangled the fuck out of that

837
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,200
economy.
And that's when you start

838
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,280
getting the mass exodus of
Venezuelans out.

839
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,000
That's when you start getting
people starving and getting

840
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,640
hungry.
That's when the inflation

841
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:22,840
spirals.
And of course, under those

842
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,160
circumstances, Maduro cannot be
super popular.

843
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,320
But I will point something out.
OK, so he gets kidnapped, he's

844
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,240
taken away.
You notice neither Machado nor

845
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,920
any of those other
oppositionists are in power,

846
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,360
because even the Trump
administration knows that a lot

847
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,080
of people may be pissed off at
Maduro.

848
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,240
A lot of people may even not
like Maduro, but they don't like

849
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,680
the opposition even more.
However much you may not like

850
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,000
Maduro, you hate the opposition
even more because the opposition

851
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,120
looks at you and doesn't even
see a human being and the the

852
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,680
opposition.
Like Machado and the Guaido's

853
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,440
and stuff.
Like, they don't even have, you

854
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,480
know, part of what Chavez
started and what Maduro was

855
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,560
considered kind of a
continuation of is the

856
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,920
Bolivarian Revolution, right?
Which is labeled after Simone

857
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,280
Bolubar.
The premise being a bourgeois

858
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,480
nationalist movement that's
based on some level of autonomy

859
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,960
slash independence from the
colonizers.

860
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,360
So again, nothing, nothing
particularly radical.

861
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:27,400
But the opposition in Venezuela
is just such extreme on steroid

862
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,000
bootlickers.
They love the US imperialists.

863
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,160
You had this Machado.
Creature go up to Trump and

864
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,720
thank him for bombing her
country.

865
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,600
I mean, you have to be a special
kind of vermin to thank somebody

866
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,760
for bombing your own country.
Thank you, Sir.

867
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,600
May I?
Have some more please.

868
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,960
Wild.
And she is considered.

869
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,280
Even within that decrepit,
vicious, nasty opposition, she

870
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,960
is considered particularly right
wing.

871
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,760
I think Code Pink did a pretty
good takedown of who this

872
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,160
creature is.
So instead of me going on about

873
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,080
it, why don't we let Code Pink
explain?

874
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,920
But who is Maria Corina Matalo?
Really, Maria Corina Matalo

875
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,000
isn't some.
Neutral pro democracy figure.

876
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,760
She's an extremist, elitist and
among the most intervention

877
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,600
friendly politicians that US has
ever produced.

878
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,520
That's right, she's AUS
invention, politically shaped,

879
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,560
funded and supported by the
United States.

880
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,920
She comes from Venezuela's.
Wealthiest elite.

881
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,800
Her family made a fortune with
industry and deep ties to

882
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,640
foreign capital.
She's never represented the

883
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,840
barrios or the poor or the
working class.

884
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,520
Just an old ruling elite that
lost its power and desperately

885
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,200
wants it back.
From the beginning, her politics

886
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,560
had been clear.
In 2002, she supported the US

887
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,480
backed coup against President
Popo Chavez, Assad and

888
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,560
kidnapped.
Yep, not the last time.

889
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,400
That Washington would kidnap A
Venezuelan president?

890
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:50,960
She's so deeply embedded within
US.

891
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,880
Power that her NGOs receive
funding from the National

892
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,360
Endowment for Democracy, a U.S.
government funded body that

893
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,640
supports color revolutions and
US political projects around the

894
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,160
world.
George W Bush welcomed her to

895
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,080
the Oval Office.
You know, most Venezuelans would

896
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,000
never.
Forget a very painful moment of

897
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,240
her history, period of violence
where hospitals were burned,

898
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:11,040
ambulance attacked, people
killed in the streets and the

899
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,640
violence wasn't random.
Anyone that looked chavista,

900
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,480
that is to say poor or working
class, they were attacked,

901
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,920
burned alive.
Not only that, she repeatedly

902
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,960
called for foreign intervention,
even asking Benjamin Netanyahu

903
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,000
to use his influence against
Venezuela.

904
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,640
You know what that means, right?
The same influence that is being

905
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,240
used right now to carry out the
genocide of the Palestinian

906
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:30,880
people.
It's not surprising, then, that

907
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,440
she's openly.
Supported even called for more

908
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,160
sanctions against Venezuela from
the United States, saying she

909
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,680
was very grateful for these
sanctions have killed 10s of

910
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,760
thousands of Venezuelans causing
mass suffering.

911
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,960
Then when the United States
escalated militarily in the

912
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,960
Caribbean, adequate.
Namatello praised Trump's

913
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,120
actions, calling him courageous
and visionary.

914
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,800
She called for the bombing of
her country.

915
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,000
He did it and then in the name
of peace, she dedicated her

916
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,560
Nobel Peace Prize to him.
You cannot make this shit up.

917
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,040
So who is Marico Dina Machado?
She's not a champion of

918
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,560
democracy.
She's not a peacemaker.

919
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,440
She's a project designed abroad,
enforced through violence and

920
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,280
sanctions, and sold to the world
with a smile.

921
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,720
I mean.
It's true, you can't make.

922
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,760
This up and also beyond her
support bombing your own

923
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,040
country, but also supporting
sanctions, starvation sanctions

924
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,760
and like then like.
Hurt normal people.

925
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,960
That's part of the strategy.
Of the opposition is to make

926
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,120
sure the economy stays hurt
because the other thing, and

927
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,400
they can blame it, they can,
right?

928
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,680
Because the other thing that's
interesting.

929
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,560
So we mentioned earlier that the
sanctions came in when the oil

930
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:31,160
prices started declining.
The kidnapping took place at a

931
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,880
time when the economy is
rebounding.

932
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,680
And I think that's not an
accident because the worry is,

933
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,520
well, if the economy starts
rebounding and things stabilize,

934
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,760
then the government's position
is going to be cemented because

935
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,120
the disgruntlement of a good
section of the population will

936
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,760
go away.
Because it's mainly based on the

937
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,760
fact that inflation is high and
goods are low and things like

938
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:52,600
that.
Yeah.

939
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,800
And I think it's a good time to
talk.

940
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,120
About Hugo Chavez, because he
came to power in a period in

941
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,960
Latin America that was kind of
considered the pink wave.

942
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,640
It was a series.
It was like a number of rulers

943
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,240
in Latin America who opposed to
some degree or another their neo

944
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,720
colonial overlords.
And Chavez was, he was a

945
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,200
populist.
He was not a socialist by by any

946
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,560
means.
He implemented a series of

947
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,160
social reforms and some minimal
nationalization of industry and

948
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,360
land distribution basically
based on the profits that he got

949
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,760
from oil, but he was always a
thorn in the side of the US

950
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,320
because of that.
I don't feel like we're in a

951
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:34,320
situation where even bourgeois
nationalist rulers can get away

952
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,600
with very much these days in
opposing neoliberal policies or

953
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,960
imperialist depredation.
They don't have a strong

954
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,560
counterweight the way they did
during the Soviet era when they

955
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,480
could rely on Soviet aid and
political influence.

956
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,040
China's just not playing that
role.

957
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,120
And I think it's really
important for anyone listening

958
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,320
to this podcast to take a strong
position against the kidnapping

959
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,240
of Maduro and against whatever
the US is trying to do in the

960
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:06,680
region, installing a puppet
regime that's pliant and which

961
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,080
is going to lead to even more
devastation and more

962
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,400
dismemberment of the working
class in the oppressed there.

963
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,000
Yeah, I agree completely.
I don't think the Venezuelan

964
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,400
regime was socialist.
In fact, private capital in

965
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,720
Venezuela continues to exist,
and if anything, the Venezuelan

966
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,480
government wanted more.
What happened is that foreign

967
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,840
capital that was capital flight
by by the imperialists to help

968
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,360
to bring down the regime as
opposed to the regime

969
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,960
expropriating the foreign
capitalists and imperialists

970
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,440
holdings.
The Chavista movement is

971
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,040
fundamentally A bourgeois
nationalist movement that wants

972
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,040
and a truly independent
Venezuela independent of

973
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:54,000
American domination.
And I think that's just, I think

974
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,680
justice and history are on their
side, but unfortunately power is

975
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,800
not.
And, and I think it's actually

976
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,880
courageous that to to be doing
this in the post Soviet world,

977
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,840
because what others had that
they don't was not just

978
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,720
diplomatic support, but they
also had military support.

979
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:13,200
The Soviets sold guns and things
like that.

980
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,720
And yeah, they had a little bit
more flexibility.

981
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:17,120
Yeah.
And whereas today.

982
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,840
You have Cuba that the US is
gunning for, which is not a

983
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,120
capitalist government.
And you know, one of the first

984
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,480
things they they said to the the
regime is they can't sell oil to

985
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,880
Cuba anymore, right.
I would also point out

986
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,240
indirectly that that is an
attack on Mexico, which is

987
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:38,760
actually the country that sells
the most oil now to Cuba.

988
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,720
So are they going to go after
Mexico next for continuing to

989
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:45,440
sell oil to Cuba?
Yeah, It's a dagger aimed at.

990
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,000
At Mexico and Cuba for sure.
I just kind of feel like.

991
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,080
The picture I'm getting is
reminding me of those movies

992
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,400
where, like, Tony goes around
the block in Brooklyn from store

993
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,360
to store, and it's like, hey,
you got to give your protection

994
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,480
money.
And it's like the same thing but

995
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,400
with South American countries.
Yeah.

996
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,960
And I will say one last thing.
We've all seen the images of ICE

997
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,320
rounding up people, beating the
shit out of people killing in

998
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,240
Minneapolis, killing I don't
know how many people in their

999
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:19,480
torture chambers.
It is in the interest of working

1000
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,920
people in the US to oppose what
the US government is doing

1001
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:29,080
abroad, because the depredations
that they carry out abroad are

1002
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,360
going to be visited on working
people at home.

1003
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,120
Because ultimately, for the
American ruling class, their

1004
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,600
biggest enemy ain't China, it
ain't Russia, it ain't

1005
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:46,000
Venezuela, it ain't Maduro, it's
the working people of America.

1006
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:51,120
And all these things that they
do abroad are going to come and

1007
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,360
hit the working people at home
on.

1008
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,000
The other side of that is also,
if the US faces a set back in

1009
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,640
its adventures abroad, that that
is a good thing, as happened in

1010
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,880
Vietnam.
When the Vietnamese workers and

1011
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,160
peasants defeated them at a very
high cost of about 3 million

1012
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,920
lives, but they did defeat them,
would you say that?

1013
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,520
Maduro is a political prisoner.
I actually like the way he.

1014
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,840
Put it he's a prisoner of war.
I think the way he put it is

1015
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,280
right.
He's the head of state.

1016
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,360
He's a prisoner of war.
He's not a political prisoner.

1017
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,800
Political prisoners when you're
in opposition in your own

1018
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,800
country.
This is not his country.

1019
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,480
He has no ties to this country.
He has no allegiance to it.

1020
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,000
He has no allegiance to its
laws.

1021
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,160
He has no Well, he should have
thought about that.

1022
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,520
Before he broke our gun laws.
True.

1023
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,760
I also love that he is the
sitting president with like a

1024
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,280
military.
Don't you think they're entitled

1025
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,680
to have a couple of Pew pews
lying around?

1026
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,360
It's it's.
It's like literally insane.

1027
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,880
The gun law, I think is the one
that says you American citizens

1028
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,320
are not allowed to have fully
automatic guns and he has on his

1029
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,120
person like in his own personal
collection, which he should have

1030
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,560
fully.
Automatic guns.

1031
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,280
Like in like in his home?
Well, I don't know.

1032
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,640
I think Trump.
Defends himself with water guns.

1033
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,920
What the fuck?
It makes no sense.

1034
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,080
Since what does that law apply
to a foreign head of state?

1035
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,960
It's so crazy.
Are they charging his wife for

1036
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,800
anything?
Yeah, drugs, something or other.

1037
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,560
OK, I don't know why.
They sent him to New York as

1038
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,560
like maybe a like middle finger
to mom Donnie or something, but

1039
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,000
I feel like they would have a
much better chance trying him in

1040
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,280
a Miami court the the little
capital of well, they also gave

1041
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,200
him to.
A 94 year old judge who I think

1042
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,200
they can 9492 yeah, that's
crazy.

1043
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:41,720
So a.
Judge who is.

1044
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,600
Easily susceptible to whatever
they were there when the Monroe

1045
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,760
Doctrine.
Was created exactly, but we

1046
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:57,440
don't love.
Anybody who?

1047
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,360
Doesn't love us.
Thanks for listening to

1048
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:00,600
Unwashed.
And unruly.

1049
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,280
Free Nicolas Maduro and Celia
Flores, prisoners of war and

1050
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,120
free Mumia and all revolutionary
prisoners.

1051
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,640
TuneIn.
Next time where we can unpack

1052
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,920
more stinky colonial garbage.