It’s a Big Club: Epstein and the Ruling Class

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Obedient workers, people who are
just smart enough to run the

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machines and do the paperwork,
and just dumb enough to

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passively accept all these
increasingly shittier jobs with

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the lower pay, the longer hours
to reduce benefits, the end of

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overtime, and the vanishing
pension that disappears the

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minute you go to collect it.
And now they're coming.

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For your social.
Security money.

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They want your fucking
retirement money.

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They want it back so they can
give it to their criminal

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friends on Wall Street.
And you know something?

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They'll get it.
They'll get it all from you

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sooner or later because they own
this fucking place.

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It's a big club and you ain't in
it.

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Welcome to Unwashed and Unruly,
our regular listeners.

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Hi to all three of you.
Must be wondering where are the

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dulcet tones of Lola?
Have No Fear, Lola is here.

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But we thought we'd throw you a
curveball with a hint of

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torture.
Apropos of today's topic by

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having me introduce the podcast,
today we are discussing the

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Epstein files.
Yep, and to help us unpack 3.5

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million files in about an hour,
we have two unruly gals

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investigative fact checker
extraordinaire Lola Michaels.

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Hey everyone.
And popular catacrotic pulse

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reader Cam cruise.
Hi everybody, I have no idea

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what catacrotic needs.
I am the unwashed Ezra Saeed.

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Grab your shovels, everyone.
We're about to go digging

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through piles of bullshit so
high that Mount Everest has neck

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pains from having to look up.
On January 30, the US Department

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of Justice released over
3,000,000 files related to

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Jeffrey Epstein.
Epstein hardly needs an

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introduction.
A convicted trafficker and

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pedophile accused by numerous
women of rape, torture, and the

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trading in human flesh, Epstein
was arrested in 2019 and

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expediently died while in
prison.

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Sparing the numerous powerful
men and some women in his circle

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the inconvenience of potential
blackmail or being named for a

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plea deal.
We are solemnly informed it was

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suicide.
A view into the sordid world of

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Epstein reveals connections with
US presidents and politicians,

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Titans of industry and finance,
Clinton and Trump, who faces

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accusations of rape and assault
in the latest dump.

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British Royals and politicians,
Gulf State sheiks, the likes of

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Bill Gates, Google's Sergey
Brin, Leon Black, Jamie Dimon,

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head of JP Morgan Chase, Les
Wexner, most popularly known as

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the head of Victoria's Secret.
Former Barclays CEO Jess

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Stanley, who exchanged emails
with Epstein about Snow White

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and Beauty and the Beast.
And he was not referring to the

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Disney films.
And of course, there's a hood

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Barack, former Israeli Prime
Minister, foreign and defense

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minister and head of military
intelligence.

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He was being familiarized with
one Peter Thiel and Palantir.

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In this episode, we will unpack
Epstein.

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Our starting point is that this
was not just a criminal ring

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involving an ever growing number
of the wealthy and powerful.

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If nothing else, and to be
honest, it will probably be

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nothing else, the Epstein files
should provide a teaching

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moment.
This is not an Epstein class or

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a transatlantic cabal.
This is a social class defined

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by its relationship to the means
of production, the bourgeoisie,

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the capitalist rulers.
And there's hardly a conspiracy

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there.
It's out in the open.

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They openly collaborate on
killing 10s of millions around

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the world, including in a live
stream genocide.

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They engineer the destruction of
10s of millions of lives at

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home, openly declaring that we
must be impoverished so they can

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live like kings and maraud the
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We are recording this episode on
Saturday, March 7th, about a

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week into the US Israeli war
against Iran.

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The war began with the murdering
of Ayatollah Khamenei, not only

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the head of the state in Iran,
but a major spiritual and

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clerical leader of Shia Islam.
That same day, the Americans

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bombed the school in a small
Iranian town, snuffing out over

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160 little girls between 7 and
12 years old and about a dozen

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of their teachers.
A little too close on the nose

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for these people.
Anyone with a pulse and a half

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decent impulse would want Iran
to win this war and the US to

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lose it.
What the Epstein files and other

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events like the genocide in Gaza
and the mass slaughter of

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Iranians should underline is
that there is a Direct Line

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between the moral depravity in
the files and the moral

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depravity the ruling class
ostentatiously displays on a

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daily basis.
In fact, the degenerate buying

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and selling of young women was
the side hustle to the far

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larger enterprise of commanding
the heights of international

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capital and with it the world.
And in this Epstein was a cog, a

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powerful cog in the machine of
bourgeois class rule, which

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includes figures far more
powerful than he was.

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At the end of the day, what the
Epstein files give us through

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its small window into this
perverse world is ammo to imbue

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class hatred.
Hate thy enemy.

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OK, so let's start with a
question to both of you.

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What is your biggest take away
from these Epstein files?

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Let's start with you, Cam.
So guys, we owe Roseanne an

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apology.
It turns out that Roseanne was

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right and a lot of the craziest
things the conspiracy theorists

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were saying were actually true.
When you go through the emails,

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not only is there sex
trafficking of adult women, but

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there's sex trafficking of
children, there's torture,

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there's murder.
It's really just mind blowing.

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And one of the things that I
think has been unmooring for me

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is a lot of the emails have
language that's clearly coded.

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And you know, people have been
saying pizza means kids, maybe

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pizza does mean kids.
There's weird fucking pizza shit

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in there.
People have been talking about

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eating babies and there's this
weird stuff in there about cream

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cheese.
Cream cheese is about eating

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babies.
I honestly don't even know what

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to believe anymore and what's
real because of how crazy these

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files are.
Like maybe Geena Davis has been

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implanted and Selena Gomez guys
magic might be real.

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Who fucking knows anymore.
These are these files are crazy.

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Yeah, I mean, I guess we've been
talking about this episode for

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like over a month and looking
through everything.

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And I guess the main take away
for me is we live in a fucked up

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society run by criminals and
nothing is too far for them.

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I mean, the latest release,
which is 3,000,000 files, is the

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most flattering version of
events.

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So it's like 1% of all the stuff
that they do in secret.

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And everyone is in there like
Ezra, you mentioned, like

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Republicans, Democrats, business
people, diplomats,

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philanthropists, healers,
professors, scientists, you

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know, Larry Summers, Alan
Dershowitz, Woody Allen, a

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Deepak Chopra, Noam Chomsky,
like they all knew, they were

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all interwoven and connected.
So it's this huge coterie of

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pals and patrons and, and
perpetrators.

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And like George Carlin said, it
is a big club and you're not in

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it.
But I think there are two

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problems.
The 1st is that these same

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people, as you mentioned Ezra,
are committing far greater evils

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out in the open.
And the second one which is also

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related, is that the entire
narrative has been about sex

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trafficking and sexual abuse,
which is depraved with thousands

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of victims over decades.
But focusing entirely on this

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case as one of sexual misconduct
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distracts from the entire
financial, military and

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intelligence linked networks
around Epstein that were

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completely shielded from
scrutiny.

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So, you know, there's
connections to currency traders

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that destroyed entire economies
and, you know, these elaborate

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ties to intelligence and the
Mossad in Israel.

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And I don't know the the sense
that I got is that Epstein is

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this front for a broader network
of imperialist interest, as you

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said, a social class.
He was part of this extensive

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financial infrastructure.
These people pull the strings on

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everything.
And like, once you pull the

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thread, you're looking at the
entire bourgeoisie basically.

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So what?
What is your biggest take away

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Ezra?
What?

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What do you think?
Well, my biggest take away is

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captured very well by the
Bolshevik leader Leon Trotsky,

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where he said the life of the
upper circles of the bourgeoisie

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is a continuous chain of hidden
crimes, of legal and illegal

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thefts, of cynical deceptions.
What is revealed to the public

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is only a tiny fraction of the
filth that accumulates behind

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the high walls of their mansions
and the closed doors of their

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private clubs.
That was written in 1928.

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And my biggest take away is
basically in in that framework,

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what we see is an utterly
depraved ruling class doing some

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of the most horrendous crimes to
individual girls and women, but

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it's completely in line with
everything they do around the

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world.
To them we are tools to be used

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as when a tool is no longer
useful or effective, you throw

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it away.
And that's what we are to them.

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I mentioned in the opening that
it's not an Epstein class.

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And the reason I wanted to say
that is because if you call it

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an Epstein class, it actually is
part of the cover up.

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This is actually how the
capitalist ruling class

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functions on a daily basis.
This is what they do.

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When you run a system that is
based on brutal exploitation and

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the most violent dispossession
of the overwhelming masses of

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people, that's what you do on a
daily basis.

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We're just getting a little
taste of it.

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And everything that's been said
and done about this in the media

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has itself been part of the
cover up.

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If you focus entirely on the
pedophilia, that's part of the

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cover up.
If Prince Andrew is taken out

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and shot tomorrow, it's part of
the cover up.

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If every single member of the
Epstein cabal who appears in in

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these files is shot off the
planet tomorrow, it's part of

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the cover up.
It's all part of the cover up.

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Because if you maintain the same
capitalist system and the same

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ruling class, they'll just get
replaced by a new crop.

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I think in terms of what role he
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got was that he was a, a power
broker type.

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He provided the services to the
financial rulers and so learned

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a lot in the process of reading
about these files, about

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compromat.
You know, when damaging

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information is used as a weapon
for blackmail and extortion and

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political sabotage, Everyone
talks about like his properties

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being for these sexual
escapades, but they were also to

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capture sexual crimes on camera.
So they were like full of

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surveillance.
And so like once a world leader

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or some famous person would be
like recorded in a compromising

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act, then they would become,
they would be compromised

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essentially.
I mean, I don't think I had this

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much information going into
this.

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Like, how much intelligence
agencies would grant him

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immunity for this information?
There's also a lot of crazy

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stuff that I know Cam was
looking into.

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And you can go down so many
rabbit holes, like genetic

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editing, this sick idea of that
Epstein had in terms of his DNA

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and obsessed with being obsessed
with DNA sequencing and mapping

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genetic traits and, you know,
transhumanism.

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Like there's a whole bunch of
really dark stuff that we have

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looked at in the last month.
I agree.

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I'd also add to that that the
truth of what we are seeing is,

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I think worse than any
conspiracy theory out there.

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Because what the conspiracy
theories often portray is that

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there is a normal working of
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And then there's the secret
cabal that work behind the

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scenes and do all these evil
deeds in a cloak and dagger sort

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of way.
And the reality is this, I just

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going to keep repeating this
theme.

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This is how it works on a daily
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And all that we're seeing is
just a glimpse into the life of

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a class whose whole existence is
based on the degradation of

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everybody else.
Or, to put it in a different

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way, it is so shocking, so
shocking that the people who

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rape and murder millions around
the globe on a daily basis

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through everything from bombings
to starvation, would mystery

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little girls.
But let's move on.

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How would you characterize the
reaction to the file dump

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itself?
Do people even know what's in

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there?
Like in general, outside of

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those who are involved in
reading and following social

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media.
I think you only know about this

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stuff if you're chronically
online because it's not really

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being talked about in any
significant way on the major

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news networks.
And dump is the only word you

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can use to describe it because
it's a completely overwhelming

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amount of information that was
handed to us.

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There's no organization to it,
and some people have been doing

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some really great work trying to
get it organized.

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That somebody created a website
called J Mail, which is an

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interface of Gmail.
So you can kind of use it just

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like you use your Gmail and
search through the files that

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way.
But one of the things that's

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also added to the difficulty
around organizing this is that

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it's actually changing.
I was listening to a podcast

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called a First Degree podcast,
and these women who host the

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podcast have been trying to
organize all this information.

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And one of the things they
notice is that the files are

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disappearing in real time.
So they'll look up the word

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pizza and it'll have 800 hits
one day and then they look the

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next day and it has 600 hits.
So they've been actually

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screenshotting everything.
And a lot of people I know are

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working on that because, like I
said, it's it's constantly

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changing.
So it's completely overwhelming.

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It's constantly changing.
One thing I saw that was really

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interesting was a quote by this
lawyer.

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Her name is Daphne Delvo, and
she is like, she kind of brands

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herself as like a lawyer mom.
She specifically works with

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women in the workplace.
And she had this great quote

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about how the way the files are
released completely breaks

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courtroom protocol.
So this is the quote that she

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posted on her Instagram page.
It's a long quote, so I ended up

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just taking some excerpts from
it, but here it is.

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Quote.
In trial practice, when exhibits

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involve violence or children, we
don't dump the information into

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the room.
The judge guides the process.

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Experts contextualize it.
Courts understand that when the

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brain is flooded with horror, it
stops thinking.

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A nervous system can hold horror
only if it's sequenced, paste

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and contextualized.
What you're being fed is

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exposure to terror without
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This is not sloppy.
The most ruthless corporate

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defense lawyers fight cases this
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Disorganized dumps, endless
data, no road map, too much

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information while omitting the
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This is why trials involving
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The law does not do this to
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protect the jury.
So what she's saying here is

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that they're breaking, like,
standard practice.

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And that practice is designed to
allow people to process the

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information and judge it with,
like, you know, their full brain

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working.
But this is very intentionally

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being put out a certain way so
that it's psychologically

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overwhelming.
And it just feels like people

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are kind of drowning in this.
Yeah, I feel like everyone has

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seen people here like bits and
pieces.

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Like they'll be like, oh, did
you hear about the pizza or the

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grape juice or like, did you
hear about Epstein?

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Like ordering hundreds of
gallons of sulfuric acid or like

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the 13 year old who had sex with
Trump and they dumped the baby.

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There's like bits and pieces
that people here, but the big

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picture is completely lost.
And I, I agree with you, Cam,

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like basically the FBI dumped
these millions of files to the

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public and said, enjoy Bassem
Youssef, who's like a comedian

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called this like a TikTok
challenge, you know, and it to

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me, it like actually made me
think of that episode of

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Succession where Logan Roy
throws sausages on the floor,

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playing boar on the floor.
And it's like this psychological

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hazing game, you know, and
there's just so much

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dehumanization that comes with
this tyrannical power structure.

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And we're like, we're the
subordinates and we have to

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like, scramble to try to figure
out, you know, we have to do the

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work.
And then we are accused of

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propagating conspiracy theories,
right?

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For because we have to dig
through all these freaking

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files, you know?
So I don't know.

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I guess what I found is that if
you are not following leftist or

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independent researchers, then I
don't see how you would get the

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whole picture of things.
And I just want to give a shout

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out to the two intrepid
journalists that we've been

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following pretty closely on
this, or at least I've been

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following.
And basically like what these

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two journalists did was they
followed the money.

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And that's like what you're
supposed to do with journalism,

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right?
So the first is Whitney Webb,

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who just published of two volume
book 1 Nation Under Blackmail.

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And she rightly points out it's
not like Epstein's sex crimes

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were not real, but that the sex
story is being used to like

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drown out the story about the
system, basically.

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And then the other person is
Nick Bryant, who's basically

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like single handedly done more
to expose Epstein ties to

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organized crime and blackmail
than anyone.

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He also has an organization
that's been advocating for the

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victims of Epstein, Epstein
justice.com.

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And he's the one who got hold of
the black book, the Epstein

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black book in 2012, which no one
wanted to touch.

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He published in 2015 along with
the flight logs.

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So this was four years before
Epstein was actually arrested in

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2019.
So Nick Bryant and Whitney Webb

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if you want the real story and
the details, but otherwise it's

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a nothing burger to the media.
That was actually going to be

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what I wanted to deal with next.
What has the role of the media

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been?
I mean, I'll tell you, one of

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the things I've seen is that
that I think kind of didn't fly

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very well, but they did try it
really hard in the first few

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weeks after the Files was dumped
was these insane articles that

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started appearing in American
and British media about how

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Epstein was a Russian agent when
it's clear he was an agent of

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the powerful intelligence
services of Micronesia.

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I mean.
Yeah, dude, it's so annoying

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that the Russia thing came up.
I couldn't even fucking believe

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that.
Yeah, I mean, you know,

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everything always has to lead
back to Russia.

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All bad roads lead to Russia.
Yeah, you know, and it's

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obviously that he was an agent
of the Honduran I.

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Mean there's just as much
evidence to substantiate that as

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the Russia claim.
So.

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He did have he did have multiple
passports too.

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Yes, he did.
I mean, obviously no one who

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works with the CIA or Mossad or
or the feared Papua New Guinea

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intelligence service could
possibly have multiple

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passports.
But what has the role of the

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media been in all this?
How is it reporting it?

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How is it concealing it?
Well, remember, like when we

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talked about the media, we're
talking about in terms of the

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establishment media, like 6
media conglomerates, which are

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tied to the government and they
don't want to cover this at all

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because of fundamentally that's
their people.

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The people who run the media are
cronies with all of them.

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And it's their social circles.
So they're not going to address

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the abuse allegations as they
they didn't do for decades.

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And all the powerful figures are
benefiting from the media and

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from sanitizing Epstein's image
and people around them.

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Like, you know, we've seen that
for years.

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So I don't wouldn't expect
anything beyond this kind of

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nothing burger.
I would also say that the Trump

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administration is releasing this
very selective bit of Epstein

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documents at the time where
they're deeply consolidating

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their network and their power
over the media.

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So Twitter and TikTok and CBS
and bullying these outlets into

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compliance and so on.
So I mean, I think that there's

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a reality behind that right now,
what I'm getting from the media,

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it's just this kind of moral
scandal, but that Epstein is

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dead.
And so we can all kind of move

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on.
Yeah, the the move on vibe is

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super strong because it doesn't
seem like anybody's going to pay

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for any of this.
It's like Jeffrey Epstein was

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the bad guy.
He's out of the picture now and

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life goes on.
Yeah.

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And they want to shield all of
the financial and intelligence

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connections, right?
They want to shield any of those

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individuals from scrutiny.
But even before, like, I just

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want to go back to the two
things that really stand out

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that people point to in terms of
the coverage of this going back

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to 2002.
Journalist Vicki Ward was

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assigned to write this profile
of Jeffrey Epstein for Vanity

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Fair.
And during her reporting, she

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interviewed multiple women who
alleged that Epstein had

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sexually abused them when they
were teenagers.

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OK, so this is 2002.
And she included those

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allegations in drafts of the
story.

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And then those allegations were
removed from the final published

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piece.
And instead, the piece focused

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entirely on, like, Epstein's
wealth and his social network

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and like, his mysterious
financial background and nothing

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about the sexual abuse claims.
And Vicki Ward says specifically

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that Epstein pressured her and
the magazine and contacted the

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editor in chief directly.
So Fast forward 16 years.

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It wasn't until 2018 when Julie
K Brown from the Miami Herald

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wrote Perversion of Justice.
And it was notable because she

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really aggressively like
revisited areas that had not

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been revealed at all.
And she talks a lot in her

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interviews today about the
culture of intimidation from the

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media and why the national
outlets didn't touch the story

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for two decades.
The problem with a lot of her

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analysis, you know, she works
very closely with the victims

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and, and their trauma and
everything, but you know, she

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basically says, oh, there's no
credible evidence that Epstein

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had any ties with intelligence
or the State Department.

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And of course, intelligence
agencies don't admit and turn

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over they.
Don't have a website with like

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their their staff members listed
on it.

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Yeah, exactly.
And then, OK, so in 2019, a lot

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was out there when he was
arrested, right?

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And they still didn't cover it.
But people knew in 2019 that

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there were thousands of pages
that were released that were,

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you know, Prince Andrew and top
Democrats and people knew about

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Epstein's sex trafficking
activities, right?

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I mean, this stuff existed in
the rumor mill for a really

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long.
Time.

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Yeah, exactly.
And so they knew at the time

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2019 people knew he was in the
highest circles of society and

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hobnobbing with all these
presidents and, you know,

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British royalty and billionaires
and that he was their money

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manager and stuff like that.
But like, no corporate media

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publication uncovered those
links.

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And then after he died, everyone
on social media was like, this

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was not a suicide.
This was a murder or homicide or

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whatever powerful individuals
want to get rid of him.

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It was obvious that there was
all this breakdown of

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surveillance cameras and guard
staffing and record.

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You know, there's so many
obvious holes in this quote UN

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quote suicide story, but The New
York Times announced it as

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conspiracy theories and then
there was media silence.

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Today, The New York Times
continues.

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So I want to just point out two
articles in The New York Times,

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if this is where you're getting
your information on Epstein.

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The first is called, it's a
story called The Epstein Files

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in the Hidden World of an
Unaccountable Elite, and it's by

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Robert Draper.
OK, so.

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This is Don Draper's son.
Yeah, so this is all the news

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that's fit to print in unsparing
detail.

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The documents lay bare the once
furtive activities of an

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unaccountable elite, largely
made-up of rich and powerful men

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from business, politics,
academia and show business.

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The pages tell a story of a
heinous criminal given a free

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ride by the ruling class in
which he dwelled.

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Probably the first time ruling
classes in the New York Times

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I'm.
Genuinely shocked to use that

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term.
Oh, because he had things to

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offer them.
Money, connections, sumptuous

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dinner parties, a private plane,
a secluded island, and in some

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cases, sex.
OK, and then it mentions people

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like it mentions Ken Starr and
Steve Bannon and Larry Summers.

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But then it goes on to complain
about the main problem with this

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is conspiracy theories.
It goes on.

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The shocking nature of some of
the revelations, combined with

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the prominence and status of
those in Mr. Epstein's orbit,

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has done nothing to quiet the
conspiracy theories that his

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behavior spawned and that both
the right and the left have

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sought to weaponize for
political advantage.

456
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,800
If anything, the raft of new
details has spiralled into

457
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,840
feverish new speculation with
little or no factual basis.

458
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,360
So are they like saying that the
Epstein file shouldn't have been

459
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,760
released because it feels
conspiracies?

460
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,840
Well, it's funny you should say
that because another article by

461
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,000
the New York Times that recently
came out that Ezra shared with

462
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,920
us the Epstein file should never
have been released by Daniel

463
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,720
Richman.
And he says, every day seems to

464
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,080
bring new reports of financiers,
academics, politicians and

465
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,480
royalty, among others, who
cozied up to Jeffrey Epstein, A

466
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,840
convicted sex offender whose
predation took a horrendous toll

467
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,160
on innocent lives.
With accountability for people

468
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,960
in power in short supply, it can
be hard to see a downside in the

469
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,840
huge dump of documents relating
to Mr. Epstein and his of

470
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,200
various associates.
But we should recognize the

471
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,560
release of millions of pages of
the Epstein files as both a sign

472
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,840
of institutional failure and A
cause for concern.

473
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,000
If our justice system were
working properly, the public

474
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,560
would never have such access.
The release of such files is

475
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,560
also cause for concern because
so much of the raw investigative

476
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,720
material in them, untold layers
of hearsay, unverified

477
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,360
accusations, and vague
circumstantial connections ought

478
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,120
not to be released for the
public to pick over.

479
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,640
Do your fucking job, New York
Times.

480
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,160
Well, they are actually.
Yeah, that's true.

481
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,360
They are.
They are because because this

482
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:12,320
line about the public should
never have seen this is if the

483
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,320
justice system were working
properly.

484
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,480
He's right.
He's right.

485
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,200
From the bourgeoisie's point of
view, he's right.

486
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,240
And I'm going to just want to
make a point.

487
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,520
If you never pick up the New
York Times in your life, it

488
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,040
doesn't matter what the New York
Times role is, is it sets the

489
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,320
tone of how other media,
so-called respectable media, are

490
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,000
supposed to cover this.
Because it is the paper of

491
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,400
record for the American
bourgeoisie, including those

492
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,240
sections of the bourgeoisie.
He will denounce it as a left

493
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,120
wing, blah, blah, blah.
It is still their paper of

494
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,240
record.
It is the most prominent

495
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,760
newspaper in the United States.
And when it sets the tone,

496
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,000
others follow.
So when they say these things,

497
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,640
they're correct from their
classes point of view.

498
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,520
And the New York Times was among
those who talked about not the

499
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,320
intelligence services of
Liechtenstein, but the rather

500
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,200
the intelligence services of
Russia.

501
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,600
They tried that line.
Like I said, it didn't land very

502
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,160
well.
They threw the Russia spaghetti

503
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,440
at the wall and none of it
stuck.

504
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,520
Yeah, because it's it's the
level of absurdity.

505
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,520
So I just want to go back to
this conspiracy thing because

506
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,280
the whole premise of these
articles, the Internet is evil

507
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,920
conspiracies will spread.
And I mean, the real truth is

508
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,480
like, they don't want these
crimes exposed to the little

509
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,760
underlings that they exploit.
And the CIA came up with the

510
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,880
term conspiracy theory as a way
to discredit people.

511
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,440
And I think what Cam was saying
about the almost like the

512
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,080
psychology of exhaustion, like
throwing everything to people

513
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,440
and just being like, you know,
the establishment media is like,

514
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160
oh, it's just another Friday on
the farm, you know, but like

515
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,200
social media is blowing up and
we're trying to figure out

516
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,880
what's real and, and what's not.
And I feel like that's by design

517
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,680
psychologically, so that we're
kind of like, is this true?

518
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,560
Is this not?
Who could know?

519
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,000
Exactly.
They threw out three, three and

520
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,200
a half million files and let the
clods dig through them.

521
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,600
They can just say, well, it's
unsubstantiated, it's just an

522
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,840
accusation, and we move on with
our lives.

523
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,360
Yeah.
And I think there is some really

524
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,120
interesting evidence coming out
that Galaine and Jeffrey Epstein

525
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,440
were really, really active
online trying to influence the

526
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,120
narrative and keep this whole,
all this activity in the realm

527
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,880
of conspiracy.
So there is a 4 Chan sub called

528
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,240
World News Sub.
And the person who is the

529
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,040
moderator for that sub, their
screen name was Maxwell Hill.

530
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,400
And all of their online activity
correlates with where Galaine

531
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,360
Maxwell was living at the time.
So while she was in London, all

532
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,440
of the posts were happening
during daytime hours in London.

533
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,360
And when she got arrested, all
of the posting stopped.

534
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,320
But within that sub, it was like
a right wing conspiracy theory

535
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,560
type sub and it like lumped in
the Epstein stuff with the

536
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,560
reptilians and the Flat Earth
theory and all these other like

537
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,920
wacky things.
So there's a lot of people

538
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,800
saying that there was a
concerted effort to make it

539
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,160
sound like this stuff was crazy,
crazy talk and like, leave it in

540
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,520
the realm of conspiracy.
Yeah.

541
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,160
And then the people I talked to,
they're like, oh, it's

542
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,760
impossible to know what's true
or not.

543
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,440
You know, like, that's the
point.

544
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,080
Yeah, exactly.
You just trust the news, but you

545
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,680
also distrust your ability to
know the truth.

546
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,000
You can't change anything.
Like, you're just like, well,

547
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,200
who knows?
You know?

548
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,840
And then you we're just stuck in
this limbo.

549
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,600
Yeah, totally.
And I think we're at this point

550
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,720
where what use is knowing the
truth if nothing is going to

551
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,800
happen anyway.
Because, you know, Jeffrey

552
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,160
Epstein has been operating with
a certain amount of impunity for

553
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,480
his entire life.
If you go back to the 80s,

554
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,400
Jeffrey Epstein has ties with
the CIA, with British

555
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,160
intelligence.
We've talked a little bit about

556
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,680
his tie to Israeli intelligence.
One of the things that really

557
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,040
illustrates the level of
immunity that he had was in the

558
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,640
late 80s, in the early 90s, he
was involved with upon scheme

559
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,720
with this dude named Stephen
Hoffenberger and they committed

560
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,960
one of the largest Ponzi schemes
in American history where they

561
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,200
defrauded investors, almost $500
million, guys.

562
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,440
Stephen Hoffenberger got 20
years in prison.

563
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,640
Jeffrey Epstein was his equal
partner in this.

564
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,400
He didn't even get charged.
So it shows that he was being

565
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,080
protected.
If we go to the the first time

566
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,480
Jeffrey Epstein is actually
charged and related to his Palm

567
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,000
Beach activities, he's also let
off the hook with his lawyers,

568
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,960
colluded with the DOJ and with
Alexander Acosta and got him

569
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,440
this really sweetheart deal.
So his plea deal was lessened to

570
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,880
the point where it didn't even
include any sort of crimes

571
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,320
against children.
And his sentence was like

572
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,720
fucking insane, dude.
Any other person would have went

573
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,560
to jail for life.
And he ended up going instead of

574
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,360
to state prison, to the county
jail.

575
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,160
And while he was there, he had a
private wing where he was

576
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,920
allowed to leave his cell door
open.

577
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,160
He had ATV and computer access.
He was allowed to turn off his

578
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,680
lights at night.
He had private security, one of

579
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,480
the terms.
He was allowed to leave during

580
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,040
the day and.
Well, yeah, one of the terms of

581
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,800
his sentencing was that he had
to have sex offender therapy,

582
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,760
and they allowed him to hire his
own therapist instead of using

583
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,120
somebody in the courts.
And like Lillard just said, he

584
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,160
was a granted work release on a
charge that doesn't even allow

585
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,720
for work release only a couple
weeks after entering jail.

586
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,000
And the work release program is
fucking crazy. 12 hours a day,

587
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,760
six days a week, he's allowed to
leave.

588
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,400
And he was picked up and dropped
off by his personal drivers.

589
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,560
And a lot of people say he was
committing sex crimes while he

590
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,360
was in jail and work release.
So yeah, you don't get that kind

591
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,800
of sweetheart deal unless, you
know, a lot of people in high

592
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,120
places.
And another interesting thing

593
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,480
about that is in a 2007
interview, Alexander Acosta was

594
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,320
asked why did Jeffrey Epstein
get off so lightly?

595
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,760
And he said that he was told to
stand down, that Jeffrey Epstein

596
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,080
was intelligence and that he
couldn't, you know, slam him.

597
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,880
Yeah, So Nick Bryant talks a lot
about this.

598
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,760
And that sweetheart deal was
when the Palm Beach police had

599
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,600
launched this investigation and
they found 23 victims.

600
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,320
They were going to arrest him,
as you said, Cam, like it was

601
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,160
given to the grand jury and a
special prosecutor.

602
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,360
These victims were skewered at
the time and they were like.

603
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,440
And they and they were high
school girls, most of them.

604
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,800
They were called prostitutes,
and Epstein was not indicted on

605
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,000
sexual abuse of a minor.
And so, yeah, the cop behind

606
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,880
this went to the Department of
Justice.

607
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,760
And Acosta did not impanel a
grand jury, but put together

608
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,360
that sweetheart deal.
And Nick Bryant has a lot to say

609
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,240
on this, so let's hear what he
has to say.

610
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:50,400
That deal is so dirty.
And then Alexandra Acosta was

611
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,640
getting vetted by the the Trump
administrator.

612
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,600
He was AUS attorney for the
Southern District.

613
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,320
He was getting vetted by the
Trump administration as labor

614
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,960
secretary.
And he was asked why did you go

615
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,360
so light on Epstein?
And he said, I was told that

616
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,040
Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence
and I had to stand down.

617
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:15,320
It was above my pay grade.
And now there's only, and, and I

618
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,920
looked into this and I've talked
to various legal scholars.

619
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,199
There's only two people in the
government that can tell AUS

620
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:26,600
attorney to stand out.
One is the attorney general and

621
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,040
one is the president.
And this was in 2007.

622
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,040
So the attorney general was
Alberto Gonzales and the

623
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:39,760
president was George Bush too.
And I can't imagine that an

624
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,199
attorney general is going to
tell AUS attorney to cover up a

625
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,120
nationwide pedophile network
without getting the OK from his

626
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,040
boss, the president.
He's not going to go out on a

627
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:54,360
limb like that.
So the Epstein case was covered

628
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,040
up at the very apex of the Bush
2 administration.

629
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,240
And then the Obama
administration continued to

630
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,760
cover up in the Biden
administration and also the the

631
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:10,960
Trump administration jokes aside
about his supposed connections

632
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,040
to Russian intelligence and the
Russian government.

633
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,560
I think anybody looking at this
can't help but see connections

634
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,040
to Israeli intelligence as well
as the American intelligence

635
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,880
agencies, particularly the CIA.
So what do you guys see coming

636
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,160
out of this?
Is he connected to Israeli

637
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,920
intelligence?
I mean, obviously we don't

638
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,960
actually know whether or not he
was actual Mossad agent.

639
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,480
He definitely had ties to the
circles along with his lawyer,

640
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,400
Alan Dershowitz.
He had an extensive personal

641
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,760
relationship with Ehud Barack,
like you mentioned, and also the

642
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,360
IDF, the Israeli military.
What we do know is that Galen

643
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,320
Maxwell's father, Robert
Maxwell, was definitely a Mossad

644
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,080
agent.
So he was an espionage operative

645
00:35:55,240 --> 00:36:01,680
and he died falling or being
pushed off a yacht in 1991.

646
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,960
And basically Maxwell, along
with Epstein, I think, continued

647
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,200
Robert Maxwell's criminal
operations, which included like

648
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,160
human trafficking.
And might I add that after his

649
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,320
death, he was buried on the
Mount of Olives, which is the

650
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,560
highest honor for a Mossad
agent.

651
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,760
The most authoritative voices, I
mean, like, I'm not an

652
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,360
authoritative voice on the CIA,
but there are authoritative

653
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,880
voices on intelligence.
One of them is John Kiriakou.

654
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,680
So John Kiriakou was ACIA spy.
He was imprisoned for leaking

655
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,520
classified information.
So he's a whistleblower and he

656
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,360
really knows spies.
And so he was actually asked

657
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:46,160
this question on a program
called the Diary of ACEO.

658
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,520
So I think we can just listen to
what he had to say.

659
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,440
Do you think?
Jeffrey Epstein was a spy, I

660
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,120
believe very strongly he was a
spy, yes.

661
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,240
And who do you think he was
working for?

662
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,640
The Israelis?
I'm confident it was the

663
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,320
Israelis.
Why Jeffrey Epstein is kind of

664
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,080
the stereotypical example that
they give you in training for

665
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,840
what's called an access agent.
This is a different kind of

666
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,480
recruit.
So for example, if you're a

667
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,680
foreign intelligence service and
you want information like close

668
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,120
in information from a former
president, from the CEO of the

669
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,640
biggest company in the world,
from a member of the British

670
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,200
royal family, you're not going
to recruit these guys.

671
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,920
You're not going to recruit Bill
Clinton or Bill Gates or Prince

672
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,960
Andrew.
So you do the next best thing.

673
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,920
You recruit somebody who has
regular access to them.

674
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,640
And that person that you recruit
is going to need to make these

675
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,440
people feel comfortable and
appreciated.

676
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,040
And so you give him plenty of
money.

677
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,200
So he has this house on an
island or he has the whole

678
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,440
island.
And maybe you bring in young

679
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,280
girls.
You get them in compromising

680
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,040
positions just in case you need
to use what's called kompromat

681
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,520
compromising pictures.
We know, we know now that

682
00:37:54,520 --> 00:38:00,160
Jeffrey Epstein's house on the
island had video cameras and

683
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,600
hidden video cameras in
literally every room, including

684
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,480
the bathrooms.
Why?

685
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,720
Why would he care what was going
on unless it was to use that

686
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:13,880
information against people?
As I said, only the Israelis and

687
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,480
the Russians use extortion as a
motivator.

688
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,240
So would they have made Jeffrey
Epstein rich in order to give

689
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:23,400
him that access?
Yes.

690
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,400
How could they have done that?
Oh, that's easy.

691
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,440
I mean, you do.
I mean, governments are the only

692
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,920
ones really that can money, that
can launder money unfettered.

693
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,480
And you can also do it through
real estate, through fine art

694
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,760
and through horses.
Those are the three easiest ways

695
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,200
to launder money today, fine
art, real estate and resources.

696
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,000
But presumably he would have
spoken out at some point.

697
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,280
No, he would have said something
or no, but it would explain why

698
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,000
he got a sweetheart deal in
2006.

699
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,600
I mean, this is a guy that's
been convicted of child sex

700
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,920
crimes and he gets six months of
house arrest with an ankle

701
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,840
bracelet.
We have mandatory minimums in

702
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,080
this country.
That's a five year mandatory

703
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,840
minimum first offense.
He definitely had some

704
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,080
interesting power, didn't he?
I would dispute the idea that

705
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,240
the US doesn't use extortion and
honey traps and things like

706
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:09,560
that.
But but I'm I'm in no position

707
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,760
to offer the hard evidence.
I just know that intelligence

708
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,320
services do whatever they need
to do to get the work done that

709
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,960
they need to get done.
Oh, absolutely.

710
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,400
And I think actually Nick Bryant
and Whitney Webb talk a lot

711
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,200
about how sexual blackmail is a
key component of power in the

712
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,000
United States.
Yeah, for sure.

713
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,920
And I think the main thing that
clip is, is saying is there are

714
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,640
legal markets with state
protection.

715
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,160
You know, there's a certain
amount of activity happening on

716
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,240
the black market that the US is
cashing in on and involved in.

717
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,880
And Whitney Webb starts her
exploration of this in World War

718
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,440
2 with Operation Underworld.
And Operation Underworld is

719
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,200
before the formation of the OSS
and the CIA.

720
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,680
And the US decides to partner
with the National Crime

721
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,400
syndicate, what we would now
call the National Crime

722
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,600
syndicate to start to form their
intelligence network.

723
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,480
So you know, if you like needed
somebody taken out that you

724
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,000
would go see the mafia for that.
And that's who they went to

725
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,040
originally.
And ever since then, there's

726
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,560
always been a certain level of
cooperation or.

727
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,120
Involvement with the US
government in illegal activities

728
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,400
and some of the things that she
points to that have been

729
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,440
documented and put out there is,
you know, we now know that the

730
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,800
CIA was in fact selling drugs,
right?

731
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,040
We know about Iran Contra.
There are all of these markets

732
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,440
that the US is trying to cash in
on and the US needs to cash in

733
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:33,840
on.
One of the interesting points

734
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,680
that she made was that there
needs to be this kind of

735
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,720
generation of income behind the
scenes so that the CIA can be

736
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:45,040
involved with operations that
are not approved by the

737
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,840
Congress, right?
So they want to do all these

738
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,600
sturdy dealing that they don't
want Congress that that branch

739
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,360
of the government to know about,
but they need to fund these

740
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,400
things.
So if they're selling drugs or

741
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,200
selling guns or involved in this
dirty business, it gives them

742
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,280
the money they need to be able
to operate.

743
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,560
Yeah.
I mean, I think that John

744
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,520
Kiriakou, what he's saying, this
is kind of part of the

745
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,760
conclusion that I drew from
listening to a lot of these, the

746
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,160
investigative journalists and
some of the more authoritative

747
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,320
voices who are analyzing the
Epstein files, which is that

748
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,160
Epstein was definitely some sort
of cut out for intelligence.

749
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,960
And that he was a service
provider for the financial

750
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,120
rulers, and he was essentially
moving money across borders for

751
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,240
these companies.
And he would do it through his

752
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,600
philanthropical foundations and
the shell companies.

753
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,400
And that was all this dark
money.

754
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,200
And what Kiriakou mentioned in
terms of compromat, where

755
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,880
damaging information is used as
a weapon for blackmail and also

756
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,960
used to influence policy like
that, is such a key component of

757
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,760
what I think is going on here.
And what Cam and I kept like

758
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,480
stumbling across and finding,
which is that the sexual crimes

759
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,960
were happening and they're
depraved, but a lot of them

760
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,400
worked for compromising and
sexual blackmail and and so on.

761
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,200
So I think that's just a whole
component of the underbelly to

762
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,320
this that once again the media
is missing.

763
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,640
Yeah, and that's the problem
with looking at this is the

764
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,400
sexual crimes are so sensational
that all the attention is going

765
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,600
there.
And while those are terrible,

766
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,120
horribly impacted, the people
who were the victims, the crimes

767
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,800
that have a broader impact are
financial like crimes that have

768
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,280
massively re distributed the
wealth in this country.

769
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,560
And I was really, really shocked
to hear about the scale of some

770
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,640
of that stuff.
The issue of intelligence

771
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,800
services using sexual blackmail
and honey traps.

772
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,080
This is stuff is kind of the
bread and butter of intelligence

773
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,480
services.
Yeah, and once you're

774
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,240
compromised, you all protect
each other.

775
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,160
I have a question for you guys
about potential consequences for

776
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,240
all this.
So Andrew Mountbatten, who I

777
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:54,360
would suggest our listeners who
don't know, look up the name

778
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,080
Mountbatten and the crimes of
the family of Mountbatten in

779
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,880
Ireland and India and elsewhere.
He was stripped of his royal

780
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,240
position and recently arrested
in Britain.

781
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,600
There's been a number of
Scandinavian politicians or

782
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,400
royalty who have quit their jobs
or positions.

783
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,360
I believe the head of a Dubai
port company who was associated

784
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,080
with Epstein has left his
position.

785
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Are these actual consequences or
are they actually part of the

786
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,800
cover up?
To me it feels performative and

787
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,880
we don't even have the that
pretense in the US, We don't

788
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,560
even have the performance.
But yeah, that's what it feels

789
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,080
like for.
Me, yeah.

790
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,960
I think it's like all of
whatever happens is like, you

791
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,520
know, a little slap on the wrist
or whatever.

792
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,800
It's all going to be theatrical
and I don't think any heads are

793
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,760
going to roll about this.
I don't think anyone's going to

794
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,920
face consequences.
One of our the people that we

795
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,000
follow on who's been really
sharp on this is Caitlin

796
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,680
Johnstone and she had a short
commentary on this and as usual

797
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,240
is very pithy and impactful.
She said, quote, the power

798
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,000
structure which birth to Epstein
abuses is not going to do

799
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,600
anything about the Epstein
abuses.

800
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,600
The only thing that might
possibly change is that some

801
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,560
people might become radicalized
against that power structure.

802
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,960
So I don't know.
That's another question that I

803
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,720
have for you guys, which is if
you start digging into the

804
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:17,480
Epstein files, most people I
think, will realize the world

805
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,880
does not operate the way you're
told it's operate.

806
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,840
But you know, what does that
mean?

807
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,080
If people's eyes are open to
like how dystopian this world

808
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:33,880
is, how capitalism functions at
its core, nothing has happened.

809
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,400
Knowledge is good, but knowledge
in and of itself is not power.

810
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,920
Just because you know something
doesn't mean you can act on it.

811
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:48,040
And a bunch of atomized,
isolated individuals looking at

812
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,440
their phone screens or computer
screens and typing away about

813
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,120
all the various crimes of
Epstein and those around him

814
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,720
doesn't mean anything is going
to change.

815
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,240
The American ruling class has
reached a point where it doesn't

816
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:08,520
care anymore what you know or
don't know because they hold all

817
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,400
the power and they exercise it.
To give a very simple example,

818
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,560
the overwhelming majority of
American the American populace

819
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,600
opposes this war in Iran and it
make no difference they'll just

820
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,880
do what they want to do.
The majority of Americans oppose

821
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,960
the Gaza genocide and they'll
just do what they want to do.

822
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,480
For the first time I think ever
in A at least since the late

823
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,720
60's, the majority of Americans
oppose aid to Israel and they'll

824
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:37,680
just do what they want to do
because we are irrelevant to

825
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,480
them.
Now, the way to become relevant

826
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,880
is actually a question of
organization and power.

827
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,160
You know, we talked about an
episode we did on ICE

828
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,120
confronting ice with labor
strikes.

829
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,280
We talked about power means
you're organized as a force that

830
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,160
can act independent of these
guys.

831
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,960
It means you're not going to
appeal to one set of politicians

832
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:03,040
against another.
It means building a party that

833
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,280
that actually represents the
working class and that actually

834
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,640
fights to overthrow these
bastards.

835
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,240
Then they'll have to deal with
you.

836
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,240
But until then, put it a
different way.

837
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,640
We all saw that Chomsky was part
of this and apparently very

838
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,720
close.
And I'm he's on his deathbed, so

839
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:22,840
he can't really speak for
himself, but.

840
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,800
But his wife can deny that we
didn't know.

841
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,720
We didn't know.
Yeah, his wife and she can say

842
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:31,880
that that Epstein wanted a close
relationship with Chomsky.

843
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,360
So he can blackmail Chomsky.
Except no blackmail happened.

844
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,000
It just got released in the
files.

845
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,520
I mean, I wasn't too shocked
about this in the sense of I was

846
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,920
never a huge fan of Chomsky.
So I I found him to be an anti

847
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,680
communist, the sort of
oppositionist that an American

848
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,560
ruling class can have to let off
a bit of steam on an

849
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,560
intellectual level.
His work on linguistics is on

850
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,600
parallel, but that's not what
we're talking about here.

851
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,880
But like one of his most famous
books is the one about

852
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,440
manufacturing consent.
And while that's a valuable and

853
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,240
important book, one of the
things you have to keep in mind

854
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,840
is there are times when the
ruling class doesn't need to

855
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,480
manufacture consent.
They can just do what they want.

856
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,200
Just on the linguistic sings,
there's actually a tie in

857
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,200
because Epstein was also really
interested in large language

858
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,080
models and so part of connecting
with Chomsky was to try it was

859
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,040
on the linguistic sing and an
artificial intelligence.

860
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:29,920
Yeah, and he was a brilliant
linguist.

861
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,920
While we're at it, I just want
to do a little aside.

862
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,760
A shout out to Norman
Finkelstein now.

863
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,760
Yeah, Now Norman Finkelstein is
somebody that I have my

864
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,000
political differences with, but
goddamn, I have always respected

865
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,400
that guy.
That guy gave up his tenure or

866
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,560
was deprived of his tenure in
defense of the Palestinians.

867
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:54,760
So he's probably the only person
who appears in the Epstein files

868
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,160
whose stature is inflated by the
Epstein files because he gets he

869
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,840
responds to evolutionary
biologist Robert Trevors trying

870
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:09,040
to connect Finkelstein with the
Epstein clan, and Norman

871
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,720
responds that that one should
instead, quote, promptly

872
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:17,680
throttle both Epstein and
Dershowitz and refuses to have

873
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,640
anything to do with them.
The only correct response to

874
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,720
that e-mail?
Damn right, the only correct

875
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:27,480
response to that damn e-mail.
No, as others have pointed out,

876
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,280
that's probably how Finkelstein
ends all his emails.

877
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,800
But but I just wanted to do a
little shout out to Norman

878
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,080
Finkelstein because it's very
well deserved.

879
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,320
But while we're at it, I will
say it is fairly clear that a

880
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,600
lot of Jewish names and a lot of
Jewish supremacist statements

881
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,960
come out clearly in the Epstein
files.

882
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:54,000
From Epstein himself saying I
work for the Rothschilds to him

883
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,400
going back and forth joking
about the goyim or the non Jews

884
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,120
as basically subhumans.
There's obviously a lot of

885
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,240
connections between Epstein and
Israel, including him saying

886
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:07,120
explicitly a work to help
Israel.

887
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,840
So I don't know if you guys have
noticed that you tell me there's

888
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,840
been a lot of anti Jewish
sentiment in response to this on

889
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:20,520
social media, like a sort of a
rebirth of this the Jews control

890
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,080
the world stuff and the media
and so on.

891
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,760
Yeah, yeah, I've seen a bit of
that.

892
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,520
And like Lola was mentioning
that there's a certain amount of

893
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,280
conspiracy, that alibi the
ruling class.

894
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,720
And I would put that in the in
the bucket where it's like this

895
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:37,480
idea that evil Jews are
controlling the world.

896
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,360
So now that this comes out, all
the people who held that belief

897
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,720
are like, you see, You see, this
is what we've been talking

898
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,200
about.
So yes, I have been hearing that

899
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,520
too.
So I think we should address

900
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,200
this, even if briefly, because I
don't want to just come out with

901
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,040
some trite statement that says,
oh, anti Jewish bigotry is bad.

902
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,720
It is.
But I think there's something

903
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,040
deeper to be dug here.
I think we talked earlier about

904
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,680
how he, Epstein, was a cog in
the machine.

905
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,160
And there's a lot of talk about
how powerful and well connected

906
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,880
he was.
But I think it's also important

907
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,200
to talk about how he felt the
fact that he did fall.

908
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,240
If you are so incredibly
powerful, how is it that how did

909
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,400
he fall?
And I think it's useful to

910
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,160
understand the role that
somebody like an Epstein plays.

911
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,280
And it may provide not only a
window into how the class enemy

912
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,600
things, but also how it works.
So for me to express this point,

913
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,640
I have to step back in history.
So let's play a thought

914
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,080
experiment.
Let's pretend you are a peasant

915
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:39,840
somewhere in Poland, or one of
the one of the little feudal

916
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,360
estates in Germany in the
medieval period.

917
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,880
You work your ass off.
How did you know this was my

918
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,440
typical role-playing game?
Yeah, yeah, I know.

919
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,080
You.
You work your butt off.

920
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,560
We'll say you.
You're the male, the head of the

921
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,880
household.
Your wife has given birth to 12

922
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,280
children.
Half of them have died because

923
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,240
that's the infant mortality
rate.

924
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,960
The ones that are remaining are
supposed to work the land.

925
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,680
You barely have a subsistence
existence.

926
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,280
Your life is short, ugly and
brutish.

927
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:13,160
And twice a year this Jewish guy
comes around to collect the

928
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,040
taxes.
He is guarded by a bunch of

929
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,880
soldiers.
He collects the taxes for the

930
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,640
king or for the local Lord, and
you know, keeps a little for

931
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,840
himself.
To you this is an all powerful

932
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,320
man.
He holds essentially life and

933
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,360
death over you.
He's the direct face.

934
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,400
Yeah.
And to you, that is the face

935
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,720
that you encounter.
You don't encounter the Lord or

936
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:39,320
the king, you're going to
encounter that the tax

937
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,480
collector.
Yeah, you don't think of the

938
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,280
shadowy figures that are behind
it or pulling the strings or?

939
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,320
Right, but that power is
actually in reality limited

940
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,160
because it plays the middleman
role.

941
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,320
It plays the role between the
king or the Lord who actually

942
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,360
owns the land and the peasant.
And, and it's useful to the king

943
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,800
who owns the land, because when
the peasants revolt or when you

944
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,120
as the Lord have no more use for
this guy, the peasants aren't

945
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,800
going to go after you.
You're up in a castle on a hill,

946
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,840
protected.
They're going to go after the

947
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,600
middle man, the person who hurt
them twice a year on an annual

948
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,000
basis.
And then, you know, the Lord can

949
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,920
launch a pogrom in a town that's
a few miles away that's mainly

950
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,920
made-up of Jews and get rid of
the problem or redirect the

951
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,960
anger.
There is a reason why the German

952
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,400
socialist leader August Babel in
the 19th century called anti

953
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:38,440
Jewish bigotry, the socialism of
fools, because you're going

954
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,080
after the wrong target.
And in a certain sense, Epstein

955
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,240
played that role of the tax
collector.

956
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:48,000
Now, in medieval times, the
reason you had Jewish tax

957
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,840
collectors is because Jews were
not allowed to own land.

958
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,400
Jews were not allowed to even be
peasants.

959
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,200
There was no such thing as a
Jewish peasant.

960
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:00,080
You, you basically were the one
who was dealing with money

961
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,000
because that was the only thing
that was allowed to you.

962
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:07,360
And, and you provided a service
in what Belgian Marxist Abraham

963
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,840
Leon, who was killed in the in
the Holocaust, called a service

964
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,440
in the pores of medieval society
in those areas where the

965
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,320
medieval society itself didn't
cover.

966
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,360
It's not by law today, but you
used to in the early 20th

967
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,840
century, have a section of the
American Jewish population that

968
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,440
was part of the working class.
And that's really not true

969
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,640
anymore.
It's more of a middle class

970
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,240
populace.
And when you talk about powerful

971
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:34,960
Jews in America today, they
occupy that middle middling

972
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,760
position where they seem very
powerful to those below them or

973
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,400
even to themselves, but are not
the real holders of power.

974
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,520
The real holders of power is the
capitalist class, which is

975
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,360
overwhelmingly white and
Anglo-Saxon and Protestant.

976
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:53,240
I think it's important to
understand the role that Epstein

977
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:56,560
played, and it's a similar thing
to the very first episode we

978
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,920
had.
Who's in charge, the US or

979
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,440
Israel?
It's the US.

980
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,720
Who's in charge, Epstein or the
people above him?

981
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:07,720
It's the ruling class that's
above him.

982
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:09,880
Yeah.
And Israel doesn't do Jews any

983
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,280
favor by equating Judaism with
pro Israel sentiment and

984
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,680
Zionism.
And so basically, if you're

985
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:23,840
trying to make sense of the ties
with the state of Israel and you

986
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,520
see that as Jews running society
because you think that Israel is

987
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,640
running things or that Israel is
behind everything, then that's

988
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,840
obviously going to just
exacerbate anti Jewish

989
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,640
sentiment.
Yeah, and you're right, Israel

990
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,800
promotes that line, but so does
the United States.

991
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,840
It's not just Israel that
promotes it.

992
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,080
Everybody from secular American
politicians like the Barack

993
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,720
Obama's to the crazed religious
fanatics.

994
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,400
I mean, it's hilarious to watch
American politicians today talk

995
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,040
about Iran being run by
religious fanatics when you look

996
00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:00,040
at the troglodyte Neanderthals
that run this country who speak

997
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,840
in tongue and talk about
defending Israel because they

998
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,560
have a biblical obligation to
not even a strategic partnership

999
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,480
with, but a biblical obligation
to this country is run by a

1000
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,560
bunch of medieval minded
religious fanatics.

1001
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,480
Trump is the holiest of them
all.

1002
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,400
Yeah, I think you're making a
great point, Ezra, because

1003
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,200
that's another thing that's come
out with all these emails is how

1004
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,600
much of A connector Jeffrey
Epstein was.

1005
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,920
One of the audios that leaked
was between the former Prime

1006
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,840
Minister of Israel, Ahud Barack,
and Jeffrey Epstein.

1007
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,480
And Jeffrey Epstein is like,
have you heard of this amazing

1008
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,720
company called Palantir?
So it seems like he just really

1009
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,240
did have his hand in a million
different buckets and was the

1010
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:42,160
connective tissue between all
the evil things.

1011
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,200
Right.
We talked about his ties to

1012
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,040
Israeli intelligence.
I think he's also tied to

1013
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,680
American intelligence because
let me put it to you this way.

1014
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,120
If he was tied to Israeli
intelligence, there is no way

1015
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,920
American intelligence didn't
know that.

1016
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,360
And American intelligence tried
to use him for their own

1017
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,560
purposes.
So, for example, that very phone

1018
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,240
call you referred to where
neither of them seems to know

1019
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:07,640
how to spell Peter Thiel's name
or Palantir's, but he knew what

1020
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,640
Palantir and Peter Thiel was.
And Uhood Barack, who shockingly

1021
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,360
was the former head of military
intelligence in Israel, didn't.

1022
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,000
I mean, just, again, that gives
you this.

1023
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,160
Yeah.
And it also gives you the sense

1024
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,320
of who is in charge of this
relationship.

1025
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,040
He introduced them to Uhood
Barack.

1026
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,080
And lo and behold, of course,
unconnected to anything, a year

1027
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,480
and a half or two years later,
Palantir has a great contract

1028
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,520
with the Israeli government.
The man is well connected to a

1029
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,920
lot of evil, nefarious and
powerful forces, but when he

1030
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,560
becomes unuseful to those
forces, he gets offed or

1031
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,600
conveniently commits suicide.
I think going back to the

1032
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:53,000
biggest take away is for people
who are exploring this is the

1033
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:58,040
connections between organized
crime, intelligence, Wall

1034
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,080
Street, the State Department,
the capitalist.

1035
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,040
This is what you're pointing out
in terms of this is the

1036
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,760
bourgeoisie, right?
And once you kind of see that

1037
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,720
all these financial figures and
criminal thugs that like the

1038
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:15,320
highest pinnacle of the state,
have control over everything, of

1039
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,240
course there's going to be no
accountability.

1040
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,760
All these things you described
are just different expressions

1041
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,000
of either the ruling class or
institutions that exist to work

1042
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,200
with and facilitate the ruling
class.

1043
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,400
And I go back to saying if you
throw everybody whose name

1044
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,080
appears in the Epstein file, if
you launch them to the moon, it

1045
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,160
will still be part of the cover
up because these people are

1046
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,000
going to die of natural causes
anyway.

1047
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,520
There's just going to be a whole
new crop of them coming up to

1048
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,920
fill those very same roles and
become the new nefarious ruling

1049
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,760
class.
And the network is still

1050
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,200
operating.
And I think that's the other

1051
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,400
thing, that there's no way that
Epstein didn't have a

1052
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,280
continuation.
There's no way that this kind of

1053
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,880
stuff isn't still going on.
And that's what also makes it so

1054
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,000
criminal that the media is kind
of like, I mean, we all saw Bill

1055
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,200
Clinton and Hillary Clinton
being interrogated.

1056
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,960
I don't know if interrogated or
whatever, but interrogated,

1057
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,400
questioned water boredom
question kindly, you know, and

1058
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,360
it's like whatever they were to
say, it's presented as what were

1059
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,760
your like.
Everything is in the past, you

1060
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,560
know, what were your ties like?
It's a closed chapter or

1061
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,560
whatever.
I think that is part of the you

1062
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,320
call it the cover up Ezra, the
distraction, whatever.

1063
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,640
This is all still going on.
It's all very much still going

1064
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,520
on.
And Epstein was, like Ezra says,

1065
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,840
a cog in the machine.
It wasn't like he is the

1066
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,000
perpetrator, he is the
ringleader, he is the

1067
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,760
mastermind.
He is 1 player in a bigger game

1068
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,880
and a powerful a powerful player
for sure, but.

1069
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,560
I am not denying that, but
incredibly powerful player.

1070
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,800
But not like this lone
mastermind, you know, like he is

1071
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,440
a part of a machine for sure.
Like we were saying earlier, the

1072
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,520
financial crimes that the well,
you know what I'm saying,

1073
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,520
financial crimes because they
are amoral and bad.

1074
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,400
But like really a lot of this
stuff is legal crimes, which is

1075
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,600
crazy.
I was reading Whitney Webb, and

1076
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,240
Whitney Webb talked about how
Jeffrey Epstein was involved

1077
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,480
with these huge, huge
manipulations of the global

1078
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,080
economy and redistributing
massive amount of wealth.

1079
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,040
And one of the things that she
writes about is not really

1080
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,400
something that comes from the
Epstein files, but something

1081
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,320
that's a public knowledge.
Have you guys heard anything

1082
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,080
about the SDG 17 Sustainable
Goals that the United Nation is

1083
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,600
putting forth?
I've heard of it, I know nothing

1084
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,520
about it.
All right, so this is a program.

1085
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,040
It's not on my Pinterest mood
board.

1086
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,240
Well, it should not be unless
you're evil.

1087
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,520
But yeah.
So this is a program that's

1088
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,240
being put forth by the United
Nations.

1089
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,080
And what it's designed to do is
it's supposed to build up

1090
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,160
developing nations and bring
them into a more modern,

1091
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,960
sustainable world.
So the SDG 17 is all of these

1092
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,560
goals.
And the goals are designed to

1093
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,200
eradicate poverty, free the
world from terrorism, achieve

1094
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,200
gender equality and hunger.
So like all these things that

1095
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,080
sound really, really good, but
what it actually entails is all

1096
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,000
of these developing countries
need to acquire debt from

1097
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,840
industrialized countries in
order to.

1098
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,640
Build up their country and to
meet the goals of this program.

1099
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,960
So there's like a certain amount
of debt that is expected for

1100
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,280
them to acquire and they're
rebranding the old idea of a

1101
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,880
debt for land swap as a
conservation swap.

1102
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,000
So the way this works
essentially is once a country

1103
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,040
becomes indebted, then they can
trade lands to take away some of

1104
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,120
their debt.
So if you're like a Caribbean

1105
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,120
island, don't worry, you can
just give us the Caribbean Sea

1106
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,520
and that'll take care of your
debt.

1107
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,680
So we're looking at a future
where Michael Bloomberg can own

1108
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,280
the Caribbean Sea.
And if you want to get a fish

1109
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,200
out of the sea, you got to pay
Michael Bloomberg.

1110
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,720
Another thing that's on this
list of privatizing of the

1111
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,560
natural world is Bill Gates has
come out and he says I need all

1112
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,000
of the Cobolts in the world to
reach my technology goal.

1113
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,440
So like, there could be a future
that we're looking at where Bill

1114
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,000
Gates owns the Andes Mountains,
which are full of cobalt, right?

1115
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:11,120
So Whitney Webb called this the
financialization of the natural

1116
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,920
world and charging you for its
services.

1117
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,280
So yeah, dude, we're like coming
to a point where, like, the

1118
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,160
capitalists are going to fucking
try to charge you for the air

1119
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,920
that you breathe.
And the way that this is related

1120
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,360
to Epstein is Colleen Maxwell
founded the company Terramar,

1121
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:30,080
and Terramar was the branch of
this program that is privatizing

1122
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,080
oceans.
That makes sense.

1123
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,240
I would argue that from what
you're describing, this is just

1124
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,720
the next step of indebting
so-called third world countries.

1125
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,280
They've done it.
I don't know if I.

1126
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,160
Was going to, I was going to say
like IMF, World Bank.

1127
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,560
OK, Yeah.
Exactly.

1128
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,080
Exactly or the OR the whole
structure of the European Union.

1129
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,920
An example I was going to give
is, if you remember the massive

1130
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,800
debt crisis in Greece, where did
that come from?

1131
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:58,840
The German banks basically
pumped money into Greece and,

1132
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,200
yeah, take on more debt.
Oh, yeah, we'll build this.

1133
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,960
We'll build this infrastructure,
we'll build out.

1134
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,000
Take on more debt, take on more.
And then comes the time to pay,

1135
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,320
and you're not allowed to
restructure your debt.

1136
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,320
You're not allowed to devalue
your currency because you're

1137
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,240
stuck on the euro.
You're not allowed to do

1138
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,760
anything.
And this is Greece.

1139
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,560
This isn't like the world's
poorest country, but it has

1140
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,240
still not recovered from this.
This is what they do.

1141
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,760
They're just coming up with new
and different ways of doing it.

1142
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,960
And then you, in different ways,
are even more nefarious.

1143
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,000
You know, if I can just make
this point, there's another side

1144
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,320
to all the focus on the sexual
crimes.

1145
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,560
Every documentary I've seen,
every news report I've seen, at

1146
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,520
least in the main bourgeois
media, has focused on the

1147
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,760
American victims.
And there were plenty of

1148
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,320
American victims.
But there were also, as far as I

1149
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,760
can tell, just numerically a
hell of a lot of victims from

1150
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,840
East Europe, the former Soviet
Union, Russia, Ukraine, and

1151
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,840
elsewhere.
Nobody gives a damn about them

1152
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,560
because they ain't American.
Nobody talks about them.

1153
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:58,920
Nobody knows what's happened to
them.

1154
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,960
Nobody knows how many of them
committed suicide.

1155
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,000
Nobody knows anything about them
because they're basically

1156
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,160
considered children of a lesser
God.

1157
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,360
Some of them, emblematic of the
Melanias, ended up being, you

1158
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,560
know.
Married into the marriage

1159
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,960
property.
To the property, yeah.

1160
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:19,080
And to, you know, so to refer to
another quote, this is from Marx

1161
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,160
and Angles from the Communist
Manifesto.

1162
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,760
Our bourgeois, not content with
having wives and daughters of

1163
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,280
the proletarians at their
disposal, take the greatest

1164
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,720
pleasure in seducing each
other's wives.

1165
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,680
Bourgeois marriage is in reality
a system of wives in common.

1166
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,320
They desire to replace a
hypocritically concealed with a

1167
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,000
blatantly organized community of
women.

1168
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,240
Can I just?
Say it like blows my mind how

1169
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,800
they were clocking this stuff
like more than 100 years ago.

1170
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,840
This is 1848.
It's like 170 years.

1171
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,160
Ago.
It's like 200 years ago.

1172
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,240
Engels, The Origin of the family
The ruling class remains under

1173
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,440
the sway of the old economic
influences, and therefore in

1174
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,680
their case examples of really
loving marriages are the

1175
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,560
exception.
The marriage of convenience

1176
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,440
often turns into the Crassus
prostitution, sometimes on both

1177
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,280
sides, but much more generally
on the part of the wife who

1178
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,200
differs from the ordinary
courtesan only in that she does

1179
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,120
not hire out her body like a
wage worker on piece work, but

1180
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,480
sells it into slavery once and
for all to her her husband.

1181
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,040
This is how, for example, old
aristocracy worked.

1182
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,120
You have daughters, you sell
them into marriage so you can

1183
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,360
forge alliances and one other
thing.

1184
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,560
So they talk about the these.
What was this UN thing called?

1185
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,440
The SDG 17.
What a catchy name.

1186
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,400
They talk about the SDG 17 as a
way to lift poor countries out

1187
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,000
of poverty, which anybody can
tell you is not obviously what

1188
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,480
they have in mind.
But behind that is just turning

1189
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:55,760
these countries into just
massive factories of servitude

1190
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,680
for the imperialist ruling
classes.

1191
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:02,040
And the violence and brutality
that you see in the Epstein

1192
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:06,960
files is the norm actually of
how the ruling class of the West

1193
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,400
functions in these Third World
societies.

1194
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,480
That is what their soldiers do.
It's what they do.

1195
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,120
It's part of terrorizing people.
It's part of controlling people.

1196
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,480
So I want to play a couple of
clips.

1197
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,520
They're very difficult to listen
to clips.

1198
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:27,000
So the warning here is these
clips will have brutal

1199
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,880
descriptions of rape and torture
at the hands of American

1200
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,600
soldiers towards victims that
they don't consider to be human

1201
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,640
beings.
So the first clip is from a

1202
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,320
bunch of soldiers returning from
Vietnam.

1203
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,680
I believe this is the early
1970s describing what they

1204
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,920
witnessed from their fellow
soldiers towards the Vietnamese.

1205
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,640
And I want to stress the
warning.

1206
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,560
These are very brutal and that
describe in gruesome detail

1207
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,760
sexual and other forms of
violence.

1208
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,080
The cutting off of heads on
Operation Stone.

1209
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,200
There was a Lieutenant Colonel
there and two people had their

1210
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,800
heads cut off and put on stakes
and stuck in the middle of the

1211
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,520
field.
He.

1212
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,960
Went over there and ripped her
clothes off and took a knife and

1213
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,120
cut from a vagina all the way
up, well just about up to her

1214
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:23,960
breast and pulled her organs out
completely out of her cavity and

1215
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,760
threw them out.
And then he stopped and knelt

1216
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,600
over and commenced to peel every
bit of skin off her body and

1217
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,440
left her there as a as a sign
for something or other.

1218
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,080
And there were two little boys
playing on a dike and one

1219
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,240
Sergeant just took his M16 and
shot shot one boy after the

1220
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:40,680
dike.
The other boy tried to run.

1221
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:45,560
He was almost out of sight.
This other, this other guy, Spec

1222
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,440
4, he shot this other little boy
off the dike and the little boy

1223
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,240
was like lying on the ground
kicking.

1224
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,000
So he shot him again to make
sure he's dead.

1225
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,080
These people are aware of of
what American soldiers do to

1226
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,240
him.
So naturally they try to hide

1227
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:02,120
the the young girls.
We found one hiding in a bomb

1228
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,280
shelter in the sort of the
basement of her house.

1229
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,560
She was taken out raped by 6 or
7 people in front of her family.

1230
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,200
In front of most of the
villagers.

1231
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:17,440
All right, this is, this wasn't
just one instance, this is just

1232
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,160
the first one that I can
remember.

1233
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,760
It got to be like a game, like
the object was to see who could

1234
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,960
kill the most people, and the
different ways you could prove

1235
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,240
how many people you killed would
be like cutting off yours.

1236
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,840
Now, if you brought back
someone's ears, you know, pretty

1237
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,200
likely you had to kill him and
get them.

1238
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,520
And then people would, you know,
whoever had the most ears, they

1239
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,480
would get the most beers.
And you trade your ears for

1240
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,480
beers.
As I was walking over to him, I

1241
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:43,880
turned and I looked in the area.
I looked to where the VCs were

1242
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:48,040
supposed.
VCs and two men were leading a

1243
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,400
young girl, approximately 19
years old, very pretty, out of a

1244
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,760
hooch.
She had no clothes on, so I

1245
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,920
assumed she'd been raped, which
was pretty SOP.

1246
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,120
And that's standard operating
procedure for civilians.

1247
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:08,280
And she was thrown onto the pile
of the 19 women, children and

1248
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,000
five men around the circle
opened up on full automatic with

1249
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,520
their M sixteens.
And that was into that.

1250
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:21,359
And lest you think, oh, that was
Vietnam, that was different.

1251
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,840
This is from 2008, whereas the
one from Vietnam where soldiers

1252
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,640
trying to convey to Americans
the atrocities that the American

1253
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,040
troops were committing in
Vietnam.

1254
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,840
These are American soldiers in
Iraq bragging about the

1255
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,359
atrocities that they committed.
So the savagery is a feature.

1256
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:39,399
It's not an accident.
Give.

1257
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,000
Me a fucking break.
You know what's the big deal

1258
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,840
about making a Hodge?
You walk around like a dog and

1259
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,920
bark.
Did anyone get all upset?

1260
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,520
But that's what you guys do.
Yeah.

1261
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:56,640
What would we do before we'd
take the plastic and wrap it

1262
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,640
around their heads until.
Yeah, you know, I mean, CIA

1263
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:05,359
showed us a lot of shit, man.
Drink generator where we hooked

1264
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:06,479
it up to their nipples or their
neck.

1265
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,720
Oh, wow.
Shot the shit out of them most.

1266
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,680
What was the most fun things?
The most fun thing?

1267
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,240
Definitely the woman.
Yeah.

1268
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,359
We had chick insurgents, man.
Oh, really?

1269
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,760
Something goes down.
They just grab everyone around,

1270
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,720
you know, fuck them.
You know, I mean, you're going

1271
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,760
to have 35 trials.
No, you know, people are like,

1272
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,080
oh, they're innocent.
You know what?

1273
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:32,359
I don't give a fuck.
Dumb.

1274
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:34,080
Damn.
Fucking them.

1275
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,319
Yeah, fuck them, dude.
Anyone with a fucking rag on

1276
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:41,359
their head is fair game, girl.
She's probably 15 years old.

1277
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:46,960
Yeah, body on that girl.
They just, they always wear it.

1278
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,359
Like you can't see him, right?
I haven't been touched yet.

1279
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,760
She was fucking prime.
So guys, he started pimping

1280
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,840
around for 50 bucks a shot.
I think at the end of the day,

1281
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,440
you know, he made like 500 bucks
before she hung herself.

1282
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:00,840
Really.
Yeah, she hung herself.

1283
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,080
How come she hung herself?
I don't know.

1284
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,040
But she wasn't happy.
It was Vulture.

1285
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,680
It's really shunned upon if you
get raped.

1286
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,120
You know, I guess she would have
been stung to death anyways by

1287
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:16,960
her people.
She was fucked anyway.

1288
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:22,800
I guess these are the people
that are going to liberate Iran.

1289
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:28,960
These are sick, racist,
misogynist freaks who are

1290
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:34,200
running society and what they
commit abroad and what they what

1291
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,520
they do at home and how they
revel in it and glowed about it

1292
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,120
is basically what we're seeing
as in the Epstein files.

1293
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,760
Exactly.
So the reason I'm played these

1294
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,480
very gruesome clips and the
reason I mentioned the East

1295
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:53,280
European women is because what
you are seeing and what you find

1296
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:58,360
shocking is the norm of what
these people do when they land

1297
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,600
their troops in these foreign
countries.

1298
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,960
They do not think of these
people as human beings.

1299
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,080
And it's again, not a bug.
It is of course, a crime, but

1300
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,160
not a crime in the sense that it
goes against what the laws of

1301
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:12,400
what they think should happen
is.

1302
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:17,120
It is how it's supposed to work.
Well, the law is for them.

1303
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,960
The law is to keep them in
power.

1304
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,400
That's what bourgeois law is in
society.

1305
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,120
So knowing the depraved nature
of our ruling class, they're

1306
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,520
never going to let any crime
affect them.

1307
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,760
So one thing I can foresee is
the possibility or even

1308
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,720
likelihood that the Epstein
files and what's revealed with

1309
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,520
them are going to be used to
promote a sexual hysteria in

1310
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,960
this country that will land a
lot of people in prison, as it

1311
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,360
has in the past.
Whenever these guys talk about

1312
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,480
the children supposedly
protecting the children, they

1313
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:51,320
are usually using these
sympathies to ramp through a

1314
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,240
massive diminution of democratic
rights.

1315
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,560
How do you see that playing out
and how has it played out in the

1316
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,920
past?
One point I want to make about

1317
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:03,320
this is that in this country the
public will always grasp onto

1318
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,280
anti sex witch hunts that are
manufactured by the state and

1319
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,880
the government will use mass
hysteria and moral outrage to

1320
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,720
stoke fear and push ideological
conformity.

1321
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,440
This is always hypocritically
paraded as protecting the

1322
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:22,960
children and of course that
diverts attention from the real

1323
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,600
crimes that are carried out
against children every day, not

1324
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,480
only abroad but here in this
country.

1325
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,560
We live in a country that
regularly denies children like

1326
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:36,360
basic needs, food and shelter.
I mean, the predator, boogeyman,

1327
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:41,640
whatever the pedophilia hysteria
has been used for a long time

1328
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,440
and that definition has always
been very broad.

1329
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:50,280
And people who are accused of it
don't have the means to defend

1330
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:56,160
themselves or the financial
support and connections to be

1331
01:12:56,160 --> 01:13:01,240
able to avoid accountability.
So let's just look at what some

1332
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,440
of the material that you just
shared, Ezra, in terms of the

1333
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,040
intense sexual crimes and
carrying out imperialist war.

1334
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:12,800
And then you think about the sex
hysteria that has existed in the

1335
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,960
United States, the satanic sex
ring panic.

1336
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:20,200
And then 80s and 90s, hundreds
of innocent people, daycare

1337
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,960
employees in particular, were
framed up on these charges of

1338
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:29,320
raping and torturing children.
Psychologists implanted false

1339
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:34,000
memories during therapy.
And the ideological backdrop to

1340
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,920
this was stay at home mother.
You need stay at home mothers as

1341
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:38,800
opposed to the evils of
childcare, right?

1342
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:43,120
In the process of this, so many
lives were destroyed.

1343
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,120
For years there's been this
obsession with catching a

1344
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,840
predator.
Anyone who gets accused of

1345
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,640
pedophilia, that accusation
sticks.

1346
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:56,360
So Pee Wee Herman had his career
ruined for being an adult

1347
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,280
theater and then later was
framed up on child porn charges

1348
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,680
when it was clear that it was
vintage art.

1349
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:07,000
The sex police go after millions
of people, put them on these sex

1350
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:11,120
offender registries, turn them
into social outcasts and prize

1351
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,200
for life these laws that fuel
these intense dragnets and all

1352
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,440
the social hysteria.
And the biggest abusers are

1353
01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:23,520
sitting in Washington.
The hypocrisy is so profound.

1354
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,480
And both parties, the Democrats
and the Republicans, push family

1355
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:33,700
values, and that's just a way of
keeping the family, quote UN

1356
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:36,880
quote, intact, like this
horrible straitjacket of

1357
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,520
religious guilt and criminal
abuse.

1358
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,200
A lot of the girls who were
trafficked by Epstein came from

1359
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:46,720
abusive households or were
trafficked by their family.

1360
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:52,280
If you actually look at the way
that these beasts at the highest

1361
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:56,360
pinnacle of society lured their
victims, abuse them, exploited

1362
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,320
them, and then said that they
were all lying.

1363
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,960
One victim that a lot of people
point to is Virginia Giuffre.

1364
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,400
She was one of the more
prominent abuse survivors.

1365
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,480
There are hundreds of others.
She committed suicide, but you

1366
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:12,960
can look at her account.
There's a Epstein Victims

1367
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,160
Compensation Fund, which
hundreds have applied for.

1368
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,360
If you get a settlement from
that fund, you have to sign an

1369
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,800
NDA that you can't name any
perpetrators.

1370
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,920
It's a hush money deal.
Precisely because they know who

1371
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,640
the perpetrators are.
The rulers will tout this

1372
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,440
morality.
They're raping and selling

1373
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:34,560
women, they're forcing them to
have babies and the anti

1374
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,960
abortion laws.
The sexual witch hunt in

1375
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,160
hysteria always goes after the
poor and the people who don't

1376
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,560
have those connections.
It's never directed to those at

1377
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,400
the top.
So that's kind of what we're

1378
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,120
looking at.
You mentioned Pee Wee Herman.

1379
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,080
One of the figures I remember
that's been dragged through the

1380
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,640
mud under these allegations was
Michael Jackson.

1381
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,840
Oh, yeah, I'm glad you mentioned
Michael Jackson, because that

1382
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,440
actually has come up a lot in
the Epstein files.

1383
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,720
One of the things that people
are speculating on Michael

1384
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,560
Jackson is that he was
essentially killed trying to

1385
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,640
protect children from Epstein.
And a lot of people are saying

1386
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:14,480
that Neverland was like the safe
house that was, he was helping

1387
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:17,880
kids hide from like real
Hollywood predators.

1388
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:22,080
There's also people who are
playing clips of Michael Jackson

1389
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,600
saying like, they're coming for
me.

1390
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,440
I have no idea if this is real
or not.

1391
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:30,520
But I do know that a lot of
people in this world have

1392
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,160
accepted the witch hunt against
Michael Jackson.

1393
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,520
I never did.
The FBI conducted extensive

1394
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:40,400
investigations and surveillance
of Jackson for like over a

1395
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,560
decade, and they were intent on
finding a way to frame a black

1396
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,240
man for molesting white
children.

1397
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,480
And they could not produce a
shred of evidence, including FBI

1398
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:54,920
documents published online.
He was found not guilty in

1399
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:59,120
various trials.
And up until he died, he said

1400
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,400
these relationships were
platonic.

1401
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,480
But he was crucified.
And that's what I want to focus

1402
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:07,920
on here is that like, these
laws, like age of consent laws

1403
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,800
were typically used to go
against black man.

1404
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:14,840
Now we have child abuse
happening in the open, and

1405
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:19,320
people are still posthumously
dragging Michael Jackson's name

1406
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,160
and reputation through the mud.
Yeah, while the real

1407
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:26,440
perpetrators sit right there.
Unflaunted the people who rape,

1408
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:31,760
murder and brutalize children.
And I don't just mean the stuff

1409
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,640
that's in the Epstein file.
I mean, the daily existence of

1410
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,840
poor and working class people in
this country and around the

1411
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:43,880
world are just running around
like they own the place because

1412
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,840
they own the place.
It's not just unique to Epstein

1413
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,080
and his type.
Yep.

1414
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,360
And all of the opposition is
pageantry.

1415
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,040
And I think we really saw that
during the Pam Bondi hearings

1416
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,320
where Pam Bondi was there, you
know, talking about how great

1417
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,520
the Dow is and how disrespectful
it is that we're even talking

1418
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,760
about these subjects.
And there are the Democrats

1419
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,560
saying this is disgusting, how
could you?

1420
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,240
And then everybody gets to go
home and, you know, they got to

1421
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,800
perform for their base.
The job is done and that's it.

1422
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,400
We've pat ourselves on the back.
I guess part of the thing about

1423
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,560
sex with this whole thing is a
lot of people assumed that

1424
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:20,240
because sexual predation and
criminal abuse is such a hot

1425
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:24,480
point in American witch hunts
and also in American Society and

1426
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:28,240
in fueling moral panic, that
this kind of exposure was going

1427
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,560
to suddenly shake things up.
And it's not.

1428
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:37,120
So in 2023, Nick Bryant on his
podcast actually interviewed

1429
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,000
Whitney Webb, and he was
basically arguing that this is

1430
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,080
going to be the only opportunity
in our lifetime to bring a sea

1431
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:45,880
change in the government, which
all this is exposed.

1432
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:47,840
People are going to open their
eyes.

1433
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,360
And it's they're not.
I mean, as much as you try to

1434
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,640
expose the scandals, these are
the people in power, the

1435
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:59,360
Democrats and the Republicans
and the sick depravity behind it

1436
01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:02,560
is all there.
The narrative is still being

1437
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,640
controlled.
I, I would like to just hear

1438
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:10,280
what Whitney Webb says in
response to this idea that the

1439
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,360
exposing this is going to bring
about massive change.

1440
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:18,360
This is this is an excerpted
segment of the interview and

1441
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,080
we'll link out to the full
interview and the show notes.

1442
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:28,320
But do you think that if enough
people ordered into Epstein and

1443
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:32,080
really started to expose what
Epstein was about, I mean enough

1444
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,120
people, that that could bring
about the sea change in our

1445
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,640
government?
So I think Epstein is a unique

1446
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,320
opportunity because it garnered
so much attention both from

1447
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,200
independent and mainstream media
that he's essentially a

1448
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,760
household name and he's
universally.

1449
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:50,240
Recognized as bad, right So by
drilling into him and what he

1450
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,640
was really doing and who really
supported him, you know, that's

1451
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,840
what I tried to do in in my
books and in my work.

1452
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,560
I'm trying to use that as a
really Epstein, as a vehicle to

1453
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,800
expose how power actually works
in this country.

1454
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,840
The crime?
They commit against innocent

1455
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,080
people every day.
And you know the nature and

1456
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,400
extent of the corruption.
Because if you don't know what

1457
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,920
the problem is, there's really
no way to solve it, right?

1458
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,920
If you think the issue is just,
you know, the mainstream media

1459
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,840
narrative about Epstein.
Oh, he was just a sex.

1460
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,880
Trafficker and now he's dead so
everything's fine again.

1461
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:25,200
No, the the network that enabled
him continues to exist and

1462
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:26,920
Epstein was obviously
expendable.

1463
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,720
So there's someone that's filled
his shoes for whatever reason.

1464
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,600
And in today's paradigm time,
sexual blackmail as Epstein and

1465
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,920
other people in history used it
is not necessarily as relevant

1466
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,320
because of the mass surveillance
state and the technology of

1467
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,840
today that makes it easier than
ever to blackmail people.

1468
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:47,560
It's really important to expose
again the extent of the

1469
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,200
corruption because, you know,
voting for, you know, left or

1470
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,680
right, Democrat and Republican
is not going to change the

1471
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,480
system.
What will change it is massive

1472
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,760
awareness and massive non
compliance.

1473
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:03,200
And I really think, you know,
that's the way forward in, you

1474
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,040
know, voting for, you know,
between two different associates

1475
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,720
of Epstein, a Clinton and a
Trump or something like that.

1476
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,720
You know, I mean, how much is
that really going to change

1477
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,960
these power structures that
we're talking about?

1478
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:15,240
It's not.
So again, that's why I think

1479
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,600
it's important to bring this
broader picture into view,

1480
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:21,160
because if you believe the
mainstream media narrative, you

1481
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,440
know you're not really going to
be understanding what the nature

1482
01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:29,160
of the problem we're facing.
The only thing that will change

1483
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,880
this is the overthrow of
capitalist rule through a

1484
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,560
working class revolution.
Otherwise, nothing will change.

1485
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:41,440
Look, there's been a lot of talk
about sex trafficking, and

1486
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:44,040
rightly so.
But the trafficking of human

1487
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,480
beings is a feature of
capitalism, whether it's sexual

1488
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:50,240
or otherwise.
It can take on the expression of

1489
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,000
sexual trafficking like we're
talking, been talking about this

1490
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,480
episode.
It can take on the expression of

1491
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:57,840
outright slavery.
And I don't just mean the

1492
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,760
historical example.
I mean the fact that when they

1493
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:06,720
overthrew Gaddafi, for example,
in Libya in 2011, you literally

1494
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,520
had slave markets in Libya
afterwards where human beings

1495
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,760
were bought and sold.
We just had an episode on

1496
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,120
immigration.
When the economy is doing badly,

1497
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,640
they deport the immigrants.
When the economy is doing well

1498
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,360
and they need cheap labor, they
bring in immigrants to be super

1499
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,320
exploited.
That is human trafficking.

1500
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:30,480
That is trafficking in people to
be used for labor and then

1501
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,360
expendable afterwards.
This is a feature of how the

1502
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,040
capitalist order works on
different levels.

1503
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,680
Whether it's sexual, whether
it's outright slavery, whether

1504
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:41,720
it's super exploited wage
slavery.

1505
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,360
When these people talk about
Epstein and his Co conspirators,

1506
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,040
the real issue is Epstein was
the Co conspirator.

1507
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,600
The real people who run this
stuff is the capitalist class.

1508
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,840
Well, Epstein was actually just
an agent of Madagascar.

1509
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,080
Yes, yes, the feared
intelligence service of

1510
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,120
Madagascar.
So who do you guys think the new

1511
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,000
Jeffrey Epstein is now that the
old Jeffrey Epstein has been

1512
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,640
disposed?
There are so many of them.

1513
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:09,120
You know, I, I.
Think it's very.

1514
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,440
Suspicious how Guy Fieri all all
of a sudden changed his whole

1515
01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:13,960
look.
Maybe he's the guy.

1516
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,880
What about Jim Carrey?
Oh yes, yeah, that's why he

1517
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,480
can't show his face in public
anymore.

1518
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:22,360
Because real Jim Carrey was
running a sex ring and fake Jim

1519
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,480
Carrey attended the award.
Show Yeah, exactly.

1520
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,640
Anytime a celebrity has fillers
we should just be like part of

1521
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,160
the Epstein files.
We might be right 50% of the

1522
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,640
time.
Maybe the new Epstein is Chelsea

1523
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,440
Clinton.
Who could know because Maxwell

1524
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,880
was at her wedding.
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1525
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,960
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